The Economist: “The Missing Middle”

The top story of this week’s The Economist is about the complete absence of moderates or respect for moderatism in politics – aptly named “The Missing Middle.” The story is interestingly connected to some recent posts I penned that drummed up some controversy.

The article remarks that extremism has largely taken over american politics. We know the cliches and the buzzwords. Compromise is a dirty word. Intransigence. Divisiveness.

The concepts are not new, but they are so very important because they speak to the structural heart of our political problems. Important still is recognizing that both sides are to blame. Even if, as the article points out (and I agree) that “the right is mostly to blame.”

It is easy to point out the obstructionism by the right, which has prevented a “grand bargain,” genuine health care reform, entitlement reform and tax reform. But as compromise fails there are those on the left emerging who are calling for more hardline tactics. This reaction will only make things worse. As I have said before, an extremist on one side gives credence to one the other side. This very idea is likely to make people angry. But liberals (especially) ought to recognize the usefulness of taking the high ground and consistently holding your political movement to the highest of standards. They should take a page out of their stalwarts’ books and imitate the work of former nonviolent activists.

The focus for action should not have to be the presidency. More people vote in that election than in all others. Moderatism and reasonableness in these races has not been a problem in recent history. McCain was a moderate republican, Obama was clearly a moderate democrat, Romney is a moderate republican and Obama remains as he was. The problem is, and has been in congress (for obvious reasons).

Unfortunately both OWS and the Tea Party are manifestations of our problems. Two sides, pinned against one another in the media and in their own minds, not realizing how much in common they have with the other. And not caring.

 

Comments

  1. JimC146 says:

    >Even if, as the article points out (and I agree) that
    >“the right is mostly to blame.”

    Bull- Anyone can compare and contrast the TEA Party demonstrations versus the OWS and see very clearly where the bulk of the extremism rests. Double Bull.

    How many arrests occurred at TEA Party protests? 0. How many at OWS? Thousands.

    How many rapes occurred at TEA Party protests? 0. How many at OWS? At least 4 and one teen pimped out by a woman and public masturbation too boot!

    How much money did the TEA Party protests cost others? $0 How much is the OWS costing others? In the millions and growing.

    Oh wait, I’m guessing it is the “views” that are more extreme, not their actions. Okay…well views are subjective, actions are not.

  2. Jay says:

    You’re attacking a point I did not make.
    Extremism (is there a better word for this?) in the right’s politics has been prevalent since the days of Lee Atwater and has only gotten worse.

    What you’re talking about is their populist activism, which is not the same thing as their political action. I only mentioned OWS and the Tea Party as metaphors.

  3. JimC146 says:

    First of all, it is the TEA Party’s politics or political views that drives them to protest. Their political views have moved them to action. Their protest is a direct correlation to their right wing “extremist” politics. Same with the OWS except on the other side of the side (for the most part, amazingly there is common ground from the right and the left on some of the problems being expressed just not common ground on the cause nor the cure) . The OWS political views are lot less coherent and vary widely but still is driven by the politics of the people who are engaged in the protests. So I see no distinction between extremism in politics and in actions of those who hold those views.

    Furthermore, saying the right is more extreme is only valid if your own personal politics are to the left of them *OR* if you measure against the national political makeup. I’d wager that what is considered extreme to those claiming it are really towards the fringe of moderate views but not beyond it on either side i.e. if you’re a far left liberal progressive you’re gonna think a right leaning moderate is extreme.

    All this extremism is relative. Progressives have made huge inroads into mainstream America and therefore what was considered radical left wing views are now moderate. Conversely what was considered mainstream in the past is now viewed as far right wing extremism.

    Furthermore, what one calls obstructionism others call a job well done in preventing bad legislation. I still stand by the fact that if legislation can’t get 60 votes to defeat a filibuster then by definition it is bad legislation. Any good legislation that will be good for America should be able to draw X amount of moderates from either side to push the vote over the top. So all this whining about Republican obstructionism to me sounds like liberal extremism beings stopped in its tracks. This doesn’t always succeed, see Obamacare.

  4. jay says:

    Thanks for the comment Jim.

    I think there are some distinctions to be made here. What do we mean when we say extreme? By your definition, I don’t disagree at all. But to clarify, I’m not really speaking out against those who have an honest to god intellectually coherent view that is “extreme.” The problem lies with those who are partisan and uncompromising. For instance, I have a level of respect for Ron Paul. Unfortunately, most the people on the hard right or hard left are generally more uncompromising than not and expect their representatives to be the same. And frankly, you simply cannot say the Republicans have not been politically obstructionist for the sole purpose hurting Obama. Mitch McConnell has said this is the case on multiple occasions.

    I don’t necessarily disagree with a lot of what you have said because its elementary. Those who cite the liberals of the 1700s are today’s conservatives. That’s the real meaning of the categorical words. As to how things have shifted today…well, that’s another debate.

  5. nathan says:

    How many arrests occurred at TEA Party protests? 0. How many at OWS? Thousands.

    It’s funny that somebody who is defending the Tea Party and their supposed “don’t tread on me” message would attack a group of citizens who are either a) purposefully committing civil disobedience to get arrested, or b) unlawfully being assaulted and detained by overbearing law enforcement organizations.

  6. JimC146 says:

    >purposefully committing civil disobedience to get
    >arrested,

    Those days are long gone, they’ve crossed over into violent, destructive, and outright illegal behavior. sitting in the road is a far cry from burning vehicles and breaking into building and smashing windows and rape, etc, etc.

    Please, get real.

    >unlawfully being assaulted and detained by overbearing
    >law enforcement organizations.

    Oh yes, we’ve crossed into liberal fantasy land now.

    Typical of far left progressiveness to eliminate personal responsibility. Couldn’t possibly be their own fault, could it?

  7. nathan says:

    Those days are long gone, they’ve crossed over into violent, destructive, and outright illegal behavior. sitting in the road is a far cry from burning vehicles and breaking into building and smashing windows and rape, etc, etc

    If you think a few rare instances of violent behavior (a mere footnote to the entire OWS movement) somehow symbolizes what its all about, then let’s use your dumb logic and agree that this video of a Tea Partier angrily stepping on the head of a counter-protester characterizes the quintessential nature of the Tea Party:

    That takes individual liberty to a whole new level! I don’t see any Occupy Wall Street demonstrators beating the crap out of people who have different views from them.

    Typical of far left progressiveness to eliminate personal responsibility. Couldn’t possibly be their own fault, could it?

    I think when I said “purposefully committing civil disobedience to get arrested” that kind of gave you your answer for this one. I can’t imagine them staying in parks/plazas past closing hours to avoid personal responsibility…

  8. JimC146 says:

    LOL

    You find one violent incident on YouTube from a Rand Paul supporter (not at a TEA Party Protest mind you, so this is a stretch to begin with) and you think this somehow a counter? YouTube is filled with acts of violence from the OWS.

    But this is the best visual.

    I could spend all nite copying YouTube links about OWS violence…but I’m tired…

    I think when I said “purposefully committing civil disobedience to get arrested” that kind of gave you your answer for this one. I can’t imagine them staying in parks/plazas past closing hours to avoid personal responsibility…

    Sure…if that’s how it actually goes down. Except when people get arrested for throwing bottles at police, violence breaks out and people blame the police. Ummm don’t throw bottles at cops, that’s what you call, assault and it gets you arrested, and when you resist, they get tougher.

  9. nathan says:

    You find one violent incident on YouTube from a Rand Paul supporter (not at a TEA Party Protest mind you, so this is a stretch to begin with) and you think this somehow a counter?

    Yea, i’m mocking your loony toon rationale for calling all of OWS violent. And the last time I checked, Rand Paul is a Tea Party politician and those protesters identified with the Tea Party.

    That little visual is “best” at making it seem like major portions of our country have descended into complete chaos and anarchy, but does little to depict reality. Unless you can prove that the parks/plazas/neighborhoods where the OWS protests are taking place had little to no instances of crime prior to the beginning of the occupations, then these mappings don’t mean anything.

    Sure…if that’s how it actually goes down. Except when people get arrested for throwing bottles at police, violence breaks out and people blame the police. Ummm don’t throw bottles at cops, that’s what you call, assault and it gets you arrested, and when you resist, they get tougher.

    Again, JimC, you’re taking a few scattered instances and blowing it up to a ridiculous overgeneralization. I expect better critical reasoning from you next time..

  10. matt says:

    “I expect better critical reasoning from you next time..”

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    We’ve been waiting for 7 years!

  11. Mark says:

    One thing to keep in mind with regards to OWS is that not everyone who shows up to the protests are associated with the movement. Since it is inherently populist though, anyone and anyone who does something destructive at an OWS protest can technically be considered part of the movement and used to create a negaitve image of the protestors.

    I was in Barcelona this summer observing a Trabjadores Indignados protest and watched a group of young kids running around spray painting “cupable” (to blame) on all of the banks and ATMs on the route. I watched as one of the protestors grabed one of the kids and start repremanding him in Catalan. A group of people joined in and started yelling at them, telling them that they weren’t part of the movement and to leave. I think any protest is going to have some kind of collateral damage but if you compare the MILLIONS of people involved in these types of protests and the relatively small number of incidents it is a staggering testament to how non-violent these protests really are.

    It’s the media’s job to sensationalize the isolated instances of violence as indicative of the movement as a whole and our job to see past that. I have had very little experience with Tea Party type protests, but perhaps there were fewer reported cases of violence there because of the demographic (Tea Party members tend to be more affluent) or due to the tacit (or, more accurately, outright) endorsement of Fox News.

  12. JimC146 says:

    Again, JimC, you’re taking a few scattered instances and blowing it up to a ridiculous overgeneralization. I expect better critical reasoning from you next time..

    Nice try but perhaps you need to develop your critical thinking and stop spinning. If you follow the comments I’ve made in this post you will see that:

    1) I was refuting the idea that in regards to extremism that “the right is mostly to blame”.

    2) I pointed out that if you examine the politics of the respective movements, the TEA Party dominated mostly by conservative “right” and the OWS dominated mostly by liberal “left”, you can easily see where the extremism label belongs.

    3) By comparing the extreme behaviors of either movement and understanding the pervasive general politics of either movement, one can conclude that the politics of either side is extreme or not by examining their actions.

    4) OWS actions have been *magnitudes* more extreme than the TEA Party. From the simple concept of not cleaning up after themselves (trashing, destroying the areas they occupy) to the lack of respect for private and public property to disrupting and causing hardship on innocent businesses and lives of those living and working in the protest zones to pure gross racism to engaging in illegal “protest” actions (breaking windows, burning cars, vandalizing businesses, assaulting police) to random violent and illegal behavior in general(rapes, drug dealing/use in public, public masturbation, teen sex abuse, putting children in physical harms way)

    These things point to one clear conclusion: The left is far more “extreme” than the right. To say otherwise is to reject reality and facts.

    A clue? no.

    Tea Party type protests, but perhaps there were fewer reported cases of violence there because of the demographic (Tea Party members tend to be more affluent)

    I thought they were racist rednecks with guns? Weird.

    or due to the tacit (or, more accurately, outright) endorsement of Fox News.

    Ah yes the ever popular Fox News defense. Let’s follow that logic shall we.

    To think that Fox News somehow was able to coverup or not report incidents of violence and illegal behavior at TEA Party protests, one must conclude the following to be true:

    1) Everyone watches Fox News exclusively and does not have access to the internet

    2) All the not Fox News media ignored the TEA Party protests entirely

    3) Liberal bloggers got all their information from Fox News only as they were unable to attend any TEA Party protests to gather video and pictures of their own.

    Again, A clue? No.

  13. Mark says:

    First off, Jim, that your third premise is false. OWS is by no means the perfect manifestation of liberal populist ideology any more than the Tea Party is for Libertarianism. Specific movements may be organized under political ideologies, yes, but to make qualitative judgements of the ideology based on specific movements is a logical fallacy, especially for schools of thought as broad as Libertarianism or Populist politics. The same logic is applied to religious groups with extreme sects. Just because a part of the group has extreme practices, doesn’t mean the religion is by nature extreme.

    What was being discussed that you took issue with is much more specific: Two American political parties, Democrat and Republican, and the degree of influence each had regarding the current economic situation and the succesfull operation of our government. Notice that not ONCE in the article are parellels drawn to either the Tea Party or OWS. Even if OWS is just a bunch of monkeys flinging poo, it doesn’t stand as a solid case as to wether the party they affiliate with is more “extreme” than another.

    Regarding your specific reponses about what I had to say regarding the two movements. I don’t care what the stereotypes of Tea Party members are, all I’m saying is they are statistically more affluent than OWS protestors and therefor have more to lose and less to gain from violence. After you have lost everything due to an inequitable system of which you have no control over, then you can tell me that violence is not an attractive solution. My point is, even with that temptation, the size of the movement, and the degree to which they have been abused by law enforcement officers, there have been only isolated, albiet highly publicized, incidents of violence.

    Second, in regard to Fox News. I never said that Fox News actively covered up any reports of violence or that Fox News was the sole reason the Tea Party rallys received favorable publicity, though I conceede that I could have done a better job making my point. My point was that Fox News has made it a point to demonize the OWS movement and sensationalize any and all instances of violence within it. A similar campaign was not launched on the Tea Party movement because it was partially funded by Fox. Since Fox currently and unfortunately represents about 50% of the TOTAL primetime viewership of cable news media, I would say it plays a relevant role in shaping public perceptions and that one needs to be cautious about inferring too much from what they reports.

    Case in point:
    http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-street/2011/11/07/occupy-dc-goons-push-elderly-woman-down-stairs

    Fox got the story from the website below, read the update. Also notice that there is no similar update on Fox’s page.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2011/11/06/uber-classy-occupy-d-c-goons-push-elderly-woman-attending-conservative-dinner-down-the-stairs/

    I would also like to note that I was merely speculating in the last paragraph of my previous post.

  14. JimC146 says:

    I got none of my information from Fox News and it was disturbing enough. I stopped watching Fox News when it caused burn-in on my 50″ Panasonic Plasma.

    As for the politics of the OWS movement, you can look to who is the majority participants. Granted that’s not 100% across the board consensus of ideology but a majority are liberal progressives. If you wish to dispute that somehow, go right ahead.

  15. Mark says:

    I’m not disputing that, what I’m disputing is your claim that “By comparing the extreme behaviors of either movement and understanding the pervasive general politics of either movement, one can conclude that the politics of either side is extreme or not by examining their actions.”

  16. JimC146 says:

    So you don’t think one’s politics does have a direct influence on your actions? I disagree.

  17. Mark says:

    Again, not what I’m saying. Read my post. I’m saying that you can’t cite problems within a specific movement as evidence that the ideology they align themselves with is inherently “extreme.”
    Think of it logically:
    If [an ideology is extreme] Then [its movements will be extreme] does NOT equal If [a movement is extreme] Then [its ideology is extreme].

  18. JimC146 says:

    If [an ideology is extreme] Then [its movements will be extreme] does NOT equal If [a movement is extreme] Then [its ideology is extreme].

    I don’t think your logic applies as the movement reflects the ideology, the two are inseparable.

  19. jay says:

    Its generally accepted by social movement academics that normative political ideology and the means that a movement is willing to engage in to establish that ideology are both defining aspects of a movement. For instance, the difference between a revolutionary and a liberal is in the means they are willing to employ.

  20. Mark says:

    Defining aspects of a movement, yes, but not an ideology. While a movement might INFORM an ideology, it by no means DEFINES it. I could say that Christians believe it is God’s wish that we dance with snakes, but that would’nt be reflective of Christian dogma.

    Thus, it seems to me like Jim is suggesting that liberal or progressive philosophy condones rape, public masterbation, and assault. I don’t know of a single academic who would conclude that since there is a coorelation between movements and ideologies that a causal relationship exists both ways. If that were the case than pretty much all religions, social/economic theories, and political philosophies are innately extreme since all of them have had extreme applications.

    And, even if I suspend logic, accept Jim’s premises and conclude that the left is a more extreme ideology, that STILL isn’t a case as to wether or not “the right is more to blame,” which was the original point of contention. This isn’t a question of extremism, it’s a question of the ability to effectively govern.

  21. matt says:

    “I don’t think your logic applies as the movement reflects the ideology, the two are inseparable.”

    so when tea baggers were running around with signs like “get the govt out of my medicare” we can accurately conclude that their movement is fucking stupid. good to know.

  22. JimC146 says:

    Thus, it seems to me like Jim is suggesting that liberal or progressive philosophy condones rape, public masterbation, and assault. I don’t know of a single academic who would conclude that since there is a coorelation between movements and ideologies that a causal relationship exists both ways. If that were the case than pretty much all religions, social/economic theories, and political philosophies are innately extreme since all of them have had extreme applications.

    And

    so when tea baggers were running around with signs like “get the govt out of my medicare” we can accurately conclude that their movement is fucking stupid. good to know.

    You both don’t get it. My point isn’t that because there were 4 rapes that all OWS movement condones rape or if Oakland protesters burn cars and assualt police that all OWS protesters condone that either. The point is purely statistical. One movement elicits extreme behavior whatever that may be and I define extreme by the sheer fact of the willingness to impose burdens on others through cost, cleanup, vandalism, interrupting businesses, etc. versus a truly peaceful movement that does none of those things.

    Take at a purely objective disregarding any ideology, just from the facts not signs or individual blatherings. OWS clearly is more extreme in its actions. There simply is no denying that.

    Ergo, the people who then make up that movement can be logically labeled as more extreme. You can’t have more extreme behavior and then not label the people carrying out that behavior as not more extreme. Furthermore, if the people behind the movement are more extreme then it is logical to conclude their ideology is more extreme.

    Who cares then? So the left is more extreme, do you really care? I was just pointing out what is obvious, the flaw in the statement that the right is more to blame for the extremism.

    Mark, I think you need to suspend your logic because it doesn’t match reality.

  23. Mark says:

    Ok, this is the last thing I’m going to say in this discussion because I think I made my point pretty clear. For the sake of argument, let’s say that you’re right, that OWS and its participants are more extreme. You cannot conclude that because a certain group of people are extreme, that the ideology behind them must be extreme. Multiple movements can come from a single ideology, OWS is not some ambassador movement for liberal progresive thought. It existed before them and will continue to even after the movement is over.

    There are hundreds, if not thousands of conservative and liberal movements that we can cite as being extreme, but that does not mean we can say that a political party with a similar ideological belief is therefore more reponsible for the mismanagement of our country. Correlation does not necessitate causation. Instead of debating who’s movements are more extreme, it would be a better use of time to break down the actual tennants of conservative and liberal thought, describe their historical and current effectiveness as applied to US government, and perhaps cite the Tea Party or OWS as an example instead of saying “the Tea Party/OWS is out of control, therefore conservatives/liberals are the reason our country’s so screwed up”, because that makes absolutely no sense to me.