Comments on: Toussie: The Real Story http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/ west coast cap peelers Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:48:15 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Sharnomore http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77194 Sharnomore Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:36:42 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77194 Ha ha. Karl has moved on, so should you. It's over. Rev Chris Miller is correct. Obama brought up the Marc Rich episode by naming Eric Holder, who was then the DAG (Dep Atty Genl) who helped make it happen by sidestepping his own department's procedures, etc. Holder handled that pardon request the way he handled all others that had political overtones. Since when can a President "un-pardon" someone? It's not possible. I'd like to see that litigated, just for fun.Once they are pardoned, teh horse has left the barn. It's done. What is some hack bureaucrat in DOJ going to do? Say NO to the President? He's going to do whatever the PRez tells him to do. Ha ha. Karl has moved on, so should you. It’s over. Rev Chris Miller is correct. Obama brought up the Marc Rich episode by naming Eric Holder, who was then the DAG (Dep Atty Genl) who helped make it happen by sidestepping his own department’s procedures, etc. Holder handled that pardon request the way he handled all others that had political overtones.
Since when can a President “un-pardon” someone? It’s not possible. I’d like to see that litigated, just for fun.Once they are pardoned, teh horse has left the barn. It’s done. What is some hack bureaucrat in DOJ going to do? Say NO to the President? He’s going to do whatever the PRez tells him to do.

]]> By: Shalimar http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77193 Shalimar Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:59:55 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77193 More likely, Rove and others involved in the effort to block Holder read about the pardon in the newspaper and went through the roof at the White House for derailing their main argument. Toussie is less important to them than their efforts to make Obama look bad, so Bush or his subordinates were convinced to pull the pardon. More likely, Rove and others involved in the effort to block Holder read about the pardon in the newspaper and went through the roof at the White House for derailing their main argument. Toussie is less important to them than their efforts to make Obama look bad, so Bush or his subordinates were convinced to pull the pardon.

]]> By: sarabeth http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77192 sarabeth Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:41:25 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77192 I just want to say that, one, I'm amused so many people are taking this argument seriously. It was intended only as satire, just to underline how little sense the whole episode makes. And, two, I'm amused at the number of commenters who, having taken the argument seriously, are asking: "And after they derail Holder's nomination, what happens then?" as a way of pointing out that it may not profit them much to derail Holder. These are the same clowns to whom it never even occurred to ask: "After we depose Saddam Hussein, what happens then?" I just want to say that, one, I’m amused so many people are taking this argument seriously. It was intended only as satire, just to underline how little sense the whole episode makes.

And, two, I’m amused at the number of commenters who, having taken the argument seriously, are asking: “And after they derail Holder’s nomination, what happens then?” as a way of pointing out that it may not profit them much to derail Holder. These are the same clowns to whom it never even occurred to ask: “After we depose Saddam Hussein, what happens then?”

]]> By: SteveBond http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77189 SteveBond Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:16:27 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77189 Bush never does his homework. JFK wasn't killed by anyone but Oswald. Life is simple. Idiots get caught. Bush never does his homework. JFK wasn’t killed by anyone but Oswald. Life is simple. Idiots get caught.

]]> By: nightslider http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77188 nightslider Fri, 26 Dec 2008 05:32:00 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77188 Lets just say Karls little gambit works, and Holder is side railed as AG, whats to keep Obama from selecting another suitable and fearsome candidate then select Holder as a speacial Prosecutor for Karl, that should make the jello B.A.S.T.A.R,D. S knee's quiver a bit, and elicit a serious case of Diarrhea of the mouth and incontinence of the brain. Lets just say Karls little gambit works, and Holder is side railed as AG, whats to keep Obama from selecting another suitable and fearsome candidate then select Holder as a speacial Prosecutor for Karl, that should make the jello B.A.S.T.A.R,D. S knee’s quiver a bit, and elicit a serious case of Diarrhea of the mouth and incontinence of the brain.

]]> By: Ed http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77187 Ed Fri, 26 Dec 2008 02:10:34 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77187 Apparently Mr. Toussie would have been better off if he had been convicted of smuggling several hundred pounds of liquid cocaine into the country. Then all of the Hollywood bleeding heart "intelectuals" would have been able to use their PR clout to get him off. No one would even have blinked. I've never understood this practice of an out-going President letting people off scott-free, after they have been duly convicted in a court of law. Especially people found guilty of more heinous felonies (like cocaine smuggling). The message all of these cases send is that even though you are guilty as sin, if you're connected with the right people, and can play on the media / public opinion, even the President can be coerced to act for (or against) you. Apparently Mr. Toussie would have been better off if he had been convicted of smuggling several hundred pounds of liquid cocaine into the country. Then all of the Hollywood bleeding heart “intelectuals” would have been able to use their PR clout to get him off. No one would even have blinked.

I’ve never understood this practice of an out-going President letting people off scott-free, after they have been duly convicted in a court of law. Especially people found guilty of more heinous felonies (like cocaine smuggling).

The message all of these cases send is that even though you are guilty as sin, if you’re connected with the right people, and can play on the media / public opinion, even the President can be coerced to act for (or against) you.

]]> By: matt http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77186 matt Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:59:58 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77186 >it makes it very much harder for Bush to bring forth any more “political pardons” does it now? >it makes it very much harder for Bush to bring forth any more “political pardons”

does it now?

]]> By: billkennedy http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77185 billkennedy Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:44:26 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77185 almost makes your tummy flip when you see what can be done and has been almost makes your tummy flip when you see what can be done and has been

]]> By: caminito http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77184 caminito Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:19:39 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77184 A very simple fact. Mark Rich was pardoned because of a direct undue influence with the Clintons, and even if it cause an uproar, it was maintained. Isaac Toussie was pardoned due a very suspicious action of a subordinate administration lawyer and nobody has accused Bush to have interacted with him. And he immediately withdraw his pardon So, who is the more honest President ?? Changing issues: drugdealers (not applicable to Isaac) and similar should be excluded in advance from Presidential pardons!! A very simple fact.

Mark Rich was pardoned because of a direct undue
influence with the Clintons, and even if it cause an
uproar, it was maintained.

Isaac Toussie was pardoned due a very suspicious
action of a subordinate administration lawyer and nobody has accused Bush to have interacted with him. And he immediately withdraw his pardon

So, who is the more honest President ??

Changing issues: drugdealers (not applicable to Isaac) and similar should be
excluded in advance from Presidential pardons!!

]]> By: Rev Chris Miller http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-77183 Rev Chris Miller Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:45:10 +0000 http://www.1115.org/2008/12/25/toussie-the-real-story/#comment-77183 OK. I'm really tired, but would someone please explain to me why this messes with Eric Holder? I know the role he played in the Clinton pardon mess-up, but to me, the current situation says nothing about Holder. It is another example of the sloppy, don't anyone tell me nothing, attitude of the Bush administration. Bush can't be bothered doing his homework, and oops... OK. I’m really tired, but would someone please explain to me why this messes with Eric Holder? I know the role he played in the Clinton pardon mess-up, but to me, the current situation says nothing about Holder. It is another example of the sloppy, don’t anyone tell me nothing, attitude of the Bush administration. Bush can’t be bothered doing his homework, and oops…

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