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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/18/enough-already/comment-page-1/#comment-75653</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, you&#039;re ignoring what the post is about, and sliding off into a general attack on Obama.

Care to respond to the substance of what I said in my post? How is Bill and Hillary claiming that Obama whined about the hard questions he was asked &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/em&gt;deliberate dishonesty?  (And please don&#039;t slide off into Obama has also been dishonest here, here and here; that&#039;s no response.)

And, oops, she did it again, didn&#039;t she?  First, Obama &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/obama-all-3-of-us-better-than-bush/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;made a loose statement&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Senator Barack Obama likes to tell his audiences that electing Senator John McCain would be the equivalent of giving President Bush four more years in the Oval Office.
Pennsylvania Update

Here, he did so again today, declaring: â€œThatâ€™s what John McCain is offering, a third Bush term.â€

Yet as he offered his closing words at a town meeting at Reading High School, after he delivered a speech and took questions for 40-minutes, Mr. Obama offered a different view of Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

â€œYou have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain â€“ and all three of us would be better than George Bush,â€ Mr. Obama said. â€œBut what you have to ask yourself is, who has the chance to actually, really change things in a fundamental way?â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And along came Hillary, right on cue, to &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/clinton-on-mccain-and-bush/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;distort&lt;/a&gt; what Obama said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œSenator Obama said today that John McCain would be better for the country than George Bush,â€ Mrs. Clinton said. â€œNow, Senator McCain is a real American patriot who has served our country with distinction. But Senator McCain would follow the same failed policies that have been so wrong for our country the last seven years. Senator McCain thinks itâ€™s O.K. to keep our troops in Iraq for another 100 years. Is that better than George Bush?â€

As people in the crowd shouted, â€œNo!â€ Mrs. Clinton added, â€œWe need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain, and I will be that nominee.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The funniest part, of course, is that if anyone has been cheering on McCain, it&#039;s Hillary.  Remember her repeated certification of how he has the experience necessary to be president, how he passes the â€œcommander-in-chief threshold&quot; while Obama doesn&#039;t?

Any resemblance between her and a lying hypocrite is purely coincidental, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, you&#8217;re ignoring what the post is about, and sliding off into a general attack on Obama.</p>
<p>Care to respond to the substance of what I said in my post? How is Bill and Hillary claiming that Obama whined about the hard questions he was asked <em><strong>not</strong> </em>deliberate dishonesty?  (And please don&#8217;t slide off into Obama has also been dishonest here, here and here; that&#8217;s no response.)</p>
<p>And, oops, she did it again, didn&#8217;t she?  First, Obama <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/obama-all-3-of-us-better-than-bush/" rel="nofollow">made a loose statement</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Senator Barack Obama likes to tell his audiences that electing Senator John McCain would be the equivalent of giving President Bush four more years in the Oval Office.<br />
Pennsylvania Update</p>
<p>Here, he did so again today, declaring: â€œThatâ€™s what John McCain is offering, a third Bush term.â€</p>
<p>Yet as he offered his closing words at a town meeting at Reading High School, after he delivered a speech and took questions for 40-minutes, Mr. Obama offered a different view of Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.</p>
<p>â€œYou have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain â€“ and all three of us would be better than George Bush,â€ Mr. Obama said. â€œBut what you have to ask yourself is, who has the chance to actually, really change things in a fundamental way?â€</p></blockquote>
<p>And along came Hillary, right on cue, to <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/clinton-on-mccain-and-bush/" rel="nofollow">distort</a> what Obama said:</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œSenator Obama said today that John McCain would be better for the country than George Bush,â€ Mrs. Clinton said. â€œNow, Senator McCain is a real American patriot who has served our country with distinction. But Senator McCain would follow the same failed policies that have been so wrong for our country the last seven years. Senator McCain thinks itâ€™s O.K. to keep our troops in Iraq for another 100 years. Is that better than George Bush?â€</p>
<p>As people in the crowd shouted, â€œNo!â€ Mrs. Clinton added, â€œWe need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain, and I will be that nominee.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>The funniest part, of course, is that if anyone has been cheering on McCain, it&#8217;s Hillary.  Remember her repeated certification of how he has the experience necessary to be president, how he passes the â€œcommander-in-chief threshold&#8221; while Obama doesn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Any resemblance between her and a lying hypocrite is purely coincidental, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/18/enough-already/comment-page-1/#comment-75652</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarabeth, I must say that even though I agree with you most of the time, I have a hard time seeing malicious intent from her. She did not make up Rev. Wright, or bitter-gate, or William Ayers, and did not distort anything he said, his actual words actually said it all. Not a good choice of words for somebody with supposedly good judgment.

Obama regularly tries to brush off character questions as irrelevant, but the fact of the matter is that in a general election scenario, these things do matter. People can be swayed to vote against their best interests because of character questions, and republicans will undoubtedly exploit his relationships with Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Auchi, and Khalidi.

Information from the Rezko trial has come out that despite the fact that he has said he doesn&#039;t recall having met Auchi, a witness in the trial placed him at a party in Auchi&#039;s honor at Rezko&#039;s mansion, and the Chicago Sun Times reported that not only did he meet him at Rezko&#039;s house, but that Obama gave a toast to Auchi. 

He also says he did not support a ban on hand-guns, but his hand-writing is on one of the 2 questionaires which were filed seperately by his campaign. Why would his campaign on 2 seperate occasions say this was his position if it were not, and why would he say he never saw that questionaire when his handwriting is on it?!?!

He also claimed in the debate that he had not gone negative against Clinton, when his campaign had in fact been campaigning negatively for quite some time.

My point being that Obama doesn&#039;t have much room to talk about her being a liar, he not only talks out of both sides of his mouth, but he is a hypocrit about negative campaigning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarabeth, I must say that even though I agree with you most of the time, I have a hard time seeing malicious intent from her. She did not make up Rev. Wright, or bitter-gate, or William Ayers, and did not distort anything he said, his actual words actually said it all. Not a good choice of words for somebody with supposedly good judgment.</p>
<p>Obama regularly tries to brush off character questions as irrelevant, but the fact of the matter is that in a general election scenario, these things do matter. People can be swayed to vote against their best interests because of character questions, and republicans will undoubtedly exploit his relationships with Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Auchi, and Khalidi.</p>
<p>Information from the Rezko trial has come out that despite the fact that he has said he doesn&#8217;t recall having met Auchi, a witness in the trial placed him at a party in Auchi&#8217;s honor at Rezko&#8217;s mansion, and the Chicago Sun Times reported that not only did he meet him at Rezko&#8217;s house, but that Obama gave a toast to Auchi. </p>
<p>He also says he did not support a ban on hand-guns, but his hand-writing is on one of the 2 questionaires which were filed seperately by his campaign. Why would his campaign on 2 seperate occasions say this was his position if it were not, and why would he say he never saw that questionaire when his handwriting is on it?!?!</p>
<p>He also claimed in the debate that he had not gone negative against Clinton, when his campaign had in fact been campaigning negatively for quite some time.</p>
<p>My point being that Obama doesn&#8217;t have much room to talk about her being a liar, he not only talks out of both sides of his mouth, but he is a hypocrit about negative campaigning.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/18/enough-already/comment-page-1/#comment-75650</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations!  You have successfully managed to miss (or ignore) the whole point of the post.

Which was that Obama did not whine or complain about unfair questions, he criticized the moderators for focusing on inanities.

Bill and Hillary dishonestly distorted what Obama said.  Maybe you need 4 more years of dishonesty, I sure as hell don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!  You have successfully managed to miss (or ignore) the whole point of the post.</p>
<p>Which was that Obama did not whine or complain about unfair questions, he criticized the moderators for focusing on inanities.</p>
<p>Bill and Hillary dishonestly distorted what Obama said.  Maybe you need 4 more years of dishonesty, I sure as hell don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/18/enough-already/comment-page-1/#comment-75649</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced that her campaign tactics are out of line, she did not create these controversies, and she would have been stupid not to capitalize on them.

Obama has the big time case of self inflicted &quot;foot in mouth&quot; disease, along with newly released evidence of some very very shady personal and political connections.

ABC was very controversial for asking the questions they did, but after 22 debates, we know what they think about issues, and I think devoting half of the debate to questions which are also on the minds of voters was not out of bounds.

Hillary did not ask for this, and you can&#039;t expect her to stand by while this train wreck happens. If it is going to be Obama vs. McSame, his personal relationships and degrading words could cost the democrats the election. 

Please don&#039;t listen too much to Big Media&#039;s negative hype about her. Hillary has always been a fighter, and she is on our side!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that her campaign tactics are out of line, she did not create these controversies, and she would have been stupid not to capitalize on them.</p>
<p>Obama has the big time case of self inflicted &#8220;foot in mouth&#8221; disease, along with newly released evidence of some very very shady personal and political connections.</p>
<p>ABC was very controversial for asking the questions they did, but after 22 debates, we know what they think about issues, and I think devoting half of the debate to questions which are also on the minds of voters was not out of bounds.</p>
<p>Hillary did not ask for this, and you can&#8217;t expect her to stand by while this train wreck happens. If it is going to be Obama vs. McSame, his personal relationships and degrading words could cost the democrats the election. </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t listen too much to Big Media&#8217;s negative hype about her. Hillary has always been a fighter, and she is on our side!</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/18/enough-already/comment-page-1/#comment-75644</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>presumably, you also keep your uniform off if you do want to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>presumably, you also keep your uniform off if you do want to play.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/18/enough-already/comment-page-1/#comment-75643</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Robert Reich, Bill Clintonâ€™s first Secretary of Labor and a friend of both the Clintons for fourty years, who endorsed Obama today â€” and presumably enshrined himself forever in the Clintons Hall of Wrath&lt;/blockquote&gt;

reich has been out of the clinton camp ever since he left the cabinet.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œIf you donâ€™t want to play, keep your uniform off.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

surely bill clinton, whose office is in harlem, (home of killa cam himself) should know that this requires a &quot;nullus&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Robert Reich, Bill Clintonâ€™s first Secretary of Labor and a friend of both the Clintons for fourty years, who endorsed Obama today â€” and presumably enshrined himself forever in the Clintons Hall of Wrath</p></blockquote>
<p>reich has been out of the clinton camp ever since he left the cabinet.  </p>
<blockquote><p>â€œIf you donâ€™t want to play, keep your uniform off.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>surely bill clinton, whose office is in harlem, (home of killa cam himself) should know that this requires a &#8220;nullus&#8221;</p>
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