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	<title>Comments on: Mukasey Tells A Nasty Whopper</title>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75907</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;So I assume

don&#039;t do that.  clearly you&#039;re not up to even reading, so thinking is clearly past your skill set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>So I assume</p>
<p>don&#8217;t do that.  clearly you&#8217;re not up to even reading, so thinking is clearly past your skill set.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75906</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you even bother to read the post?  Or did you just assume that you knew what I must have said, and jump straight in to comment?

Because if you did bother to read the post, surely you saw this: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;(By the way, Greenwald also explains at length why Mukaseyâ€™s entire remarks are dishonest because â€œ(even) under the â€œoldâ€ FISA, no warrants are required where the targeted person is outside the U.S. (Afghanistan) and calls into the U.S.â€)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So why then would you be imputing to me (and whoever else you are including in that &quot;you all&quot;) the beliefs you did?

Next time you set out to shoot down an argument, you might check first whether anyone has actually made that argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you even bother to read the post?  Or did you just assume that you knew what I must have said, and jump straight in to comment?</p>
<p>Because if you did bother to read the post, surely you saw this: </p>
<blockquote><p>(By the way, Greenwald also explains at length why Mukaseyâ€™s entire remarks are dishonest because â€œ(even) under the â€œoldâ€ FISA, no warrants are required where the targeted person is outside the U.S. (Afghanistan) and calls into the U.S.â€)</p></blockquote>
<p>So why then would you be imputing to me (and whoever else you are including in that &#8220;you all&#8221;) the beliefs you did?</p>
<p>Next time you set out to shoot down an argument, you might check first whether anyone has actually made that argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75905</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I assume you all believe that in 1943  to listen to a phone call originating in Japan the Roosevelt administration would have needed a warrant as well?  Or if calls were coming in from Berlin they would undoubtedly have sought a judge before listening in?  We have soldiers dying in Iraq on a daily basis, but we need warrants to listen to phone calls that originate there?  Sorry, but there is no historical precedent for that kind of limit on wartime intelligence. 

Now if the argument is that the government should seek a warrant before listening to calls from England, India, even Pakistan, then that is a valid viewpoint.  We aren&#039;t at war in any of those countries.  But calls from Iraq are calls from a war zone.  It&#039;s called wartime spying and people who want to inhibit that are being reckless with our government&#039;s ability to defeat the groups that are killing American soldiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I assume you all believe that in 1943  to listen to a phone call originating in Japan the Roosevelt administration would have needed a warrant as well?  Or if calls were coming in from Berlin they would undoubtedly have sought a judge before listening in?  We have soldiers dying in Iraq on a daily basis, but we need warrants to listen to phone calls that originate there?  Sorry, but there is no historical precedent for that kind of limit on wartime intelligence. </p>
<p>Now if the argument is that the government should seek a warrant before listening to calls from England, India, even Pakistan, then that is a valid viewpoint.  We aren&#8217;t at war in any of those countries.  But calls from Iraq are calls from a war zone.  It&#8217;s called wartime spying and people who want to inhibit that are being reckless with our government&#8217;s ability to defeat the groups that are killing American soldiers.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75617</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did section9 just post a comment that didn&#039;t amount to a rimjob for Condi Rice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did section9 just post a comment that didn&#8217;t amount to a rimjob for Condi Rice?</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75615</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug Feith got it wrong, as usual (you people always do).

The assholes are not those who care about torture, the assholes are the likes of section9.  

All these years of people making the point succinctly and clearly, and you still pretend you don&#039;t understand the problem we people have?

Once more with feeling: We have a real problem with the Bushmen &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;using&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; the fact that we have enemies to lie to the American people, lie to Congress and ride roughshod over Constitutional liberties and traditional American values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug Feith got it wrong, as usual (you people always do).</p>
<p>The assholes are not those who care about torture, the assholes are the likes of section9.  </p>
<p>All these years of people making the point succinctly and clearly, and you still pretend you don&#8217;t understand the problem we people have?</p>
<p>Once more with feeling: We have a real problem with the Bushmen <strong><em>using</em></strong> the fact that we have enemies to lie to the American people, lie to Congress and ride roughshod over Constitutional liberties and traditional American values.</p>
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		<title>By: section9</title>
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		<dc:creator>section9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no, look, when it was revealed, at trial, that bin Laden&#039;s cell phone had been monitored, he changed his operational security. That&#039;s what Mukasey is, fundamentally, saying here.

The problem you people have is that you do not believe we have enemies. You won&#039;t believe we have enemies until we suffer casualties here at home and a Democrat is in the White House. 

ONLY THEN will you be in favor of warrentless wiretapping. 

Ralph Peters put it best when he said that the Left wasn&#039;t against the Iraq War so much as against those who were waging it. Or, to take a riff off of Mark Twain, no one ever lost money betting against the cynicism of the Democratic Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no, look, when it was revealed, at trial, that bin Laden&#8217;s cell phone had been monitored, he changed his operational security. That&#8217;s what Mukasey is, fundamentally, saying here.</p>
<p>The problem you people have is that you do not believe we have enemies. You won&#8217;t believe we have enemies until we suffer casualties here at home and a Democrat is in the White House. </p>
<p>ONLY THEN will you be in favor of warrentless wiretapping. </p>
<p>Ralph Peters put it best when he said that the Left wasn&#8217;t against the Iraq War so much as against those who were waging it. Or, to take a riff off of Mark Twain, no one ever lost money betting against the cynicism of the Democratic Party.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75613</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He only gets to cover his ass if we let him.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure. Let&#039;s get the Congress to issue subpoenas...oh wait, the AG&#039;s office is the same part of the Admin who REFUSES to enforce anything, citing executive privilege. The only thing we can do is make it into a huge deal...the way the press is, good luck with that. 

I wrote my Congressman, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll lead to much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He only gets to cover his ass if we let him.</i></p>
<p>Sure. Let&#8217;s get the Congress to issue subpoenas&#8230;oh wait, the AG&#8217;s office is the same part of the Admin who REFUSES to enforce anything, citing executive privilege. The only thing we can do is make it into a huge deal&#8230;the way the press is, good luck with that. </p>
<p>I wrote my Congressman, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll lead to much.</p>
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		<title>By: bdop4</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75609</link>
		<dc:creator>bdop4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He only gets to cover his ass if we let him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He only gets to cover his ass if we let him.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2008/04/02/mukasey-tells-a-nasty-whopper/comment-page-1/#comment-75607</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since nobody in our pushover media who was present at the event asked for clarification on the spot, I fear we&#039;re simply reduced to speculation. 

That&#039;s what I was doing in my first post, because upon reading the transcript of that portion of the speech, I could imagine  how what Mukasey said could be a stupid, vague fear mongering hypothetical (a la &quot;mushroom clouds&quot;). That&#039;s just how these guys talk. 

Applying a more cynical approach to it though, and after having read some further analysis and some of the comments Greenwald was able to elicit from a member of the 9/11 commission, it appears that it might have been a fabrication that he never thought he&#039;d be called on. 

Because he, like the rest of us knows how toothless the press is with this administration.

In any case, I fear that his wording was sufficiently vague so as to allow him to cover his ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since nobody in our pushover media who was present at the event asked for clarification on the spot, I fear we&#8217;re simply reduced to speculation. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I was doing in my first post, because upon reading the transcript of that portion of the speech, I could imagine  how what Mukasey said could be a stupid, vague fear mongering hypothetical (a la &#8220;mushroom clouds&#8221;). That&#8217;s just how these guys talk. </p>
<p>Applying a more cynical approach to it though, and after having read some further analysis and some of the comments Greenwald was able to elicit from a member of the 9/11 commission, it appears that it might have been a fabrication that he never thought he&#8217;d be called on. </p>
<p>Because he, like the rest of us knows how toothless the press is with this administration.</p>
<p>In any case, I fear that his wording was sufficiently vague so as to allow him to cover his ass.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand: &quot;a sloppily explained hypothetical&quot; is very different from &quot;just making this call up out of thin air&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand: &#8220;a sloppily explained hypothetical&#8221; is very different from &#8220;just making this call up out of thin air&#8221;.</p>
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