Not to sure who participated in their polls because everyone at my job said that there was no way they’d vote for Clinton. Of course I work at a firm where the avg. person’s education is a minimum of a 4 year degree — perhaps that has something to do with it.”

LOL.
The reasons for “your particular results” are more likely do to a variety of “other” reasons that have “nothing” to do with education level (as you have implied). Additionally, what people “say” and what people “do” (especially in a work environment) are often quite different.

From the example you provide, the “avg person” at your “firm” needs more education then because your implication that intelligence has a direct correlation to education is false. I have a college degree as well but some of the brightest minds in our history never finished college and many never finished high school. Some of the most incompetent people I know have many yrs of “education” while a few with simple high school diplomas are comparatively quite intelligent. In my personal opinion Bush and Rice, while “educated”, are extremely incompetent but look where they are. Maybe the people in your firm are equally “educated”…

BTW “revolution” I hope you’ve actually read through both candidates policy papers and aren’t simply basing your opinion on conjecture and drivel.

How many people at your “firm” have actually read through both candidates policy plans? If not, you can count yourselves among the other 90% of people that are basing their decisions on who they like as the better “speaker/promoter” as opposed to “actually knowing” the specifics that the candidates are running on. BTW, simply listening to “campaign speeches” is a far cry from researching the specifics. It takes about 2-3 hrs per candidate to go through their plans. If you’ve read them you should realize that neither site gives very much “actual detail” irt their policies but Barack’s definitely provides the least. Just something to think about…

I keep hearing many of the 18-28 yr olds preaching about how bad it was under Clinton but they were only 2 -12yrs old when Clinton became President and were a whole 10-20yrs old at the end of it… I was disappointed to find that at my caucus 90% of the young voters could “not” speak to the actual details of either candidate’s policies but still tried to act like they knew their differences. Getting involved in politics is great but do it by studying “all” the candidates plans (not rhetoric, “plans”) irt the issues. In this race it’s getting to be more like rooting for the Giants to beat the Patriots in that it’s easy to root for the original underdog and rally as that underdog makes progress. There’s also the obvious draw of young people to pull for someone they think looks/acts a little closer to their age. The problem is that’s what lends more towards picking someone based on rhetoric over actual facts (this could go for “either” candidate but tends to be occurring on the Obama side to the greatest extent). That’s based purely on my observations; maybe you’ve had different ones?

IRT some of the issues:
I dislike Clinton’s plan for a 5yr freeze of mortgage interest rates because it will result in “higher” rates. I prefer Barack’s plan on this topic. Setting a specific date for troop withdrawal is a bad idea also. Setting a date to have a complete “plan” would be ok but saying we’ll be leaving on date “x” (regardless of the variables involved) would be irresponsible.

I dislike Obama’s healthcare plan because, of the two Dem plans, it’s the furthest away from covering everyone.

I like Clinton’s National 401K plan.
Both Dem’s have exciting ideas for college tuition assistance and green initiatives.

The issue is that all of these plans cost a lot of money. Not to mention the cost of removing the AMT (greater than $2 trillion from 2010-2020), as well as fixing the AMT and preserving the tax cuts for earners under $200-250K. Even “if” they could do these things in a “pay-go” way they will still have a $400 billion deficit to deal with and a looming crises in Social Security, Medicare and the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled. All with a weakening economy and dollar…

It’s not going to be easy and it will take a lot more than rhetoric. Choose wisely…

LOL.
The reasons for “your particular results” are more likely do to a variety of “other” reasons that have “nothing” to do with education level (as you have implied). Additionally, what people “say” and what people “do” (especially in a work environment) are often quite different.

From the example you provide, the “avg person” at your “firm” needs more education then because your implication that intelligence has a direct correlation to education is false. I have a college degree as well but some of the brightest minds in our history never finished college and many never finished high school. Some of the most incompetent people I know have many yrs of “education” while a few with simple high school diplomas are comparatively quite intelligent. In my personal opinion Bush and Rice, while “educated”, are extremely incompetent but look where they are. Maybe the people in your firm are equally “educated”…

BTW “revolution” I hope you’ve actually read through both candidates policy papers and aren’t simply basing your opinion on conjecture and drivel.

How many people at your “firm” have actually read through both candidates policy plans? If not, you can count yourselves among the other 90% of people that are basing their decisions on who they like as the better “speaker/promoter” as opposed to “actually knowing” the specifics that the candidates are running on. BTW, simply listening to “campaign speeches” is a far cry from researching the specifics. It takes about 3-4 hrs per candidate to go through their plans. If you’ve read them you should realize that neither site gives very much “actual detail” irt their policies but Barack’s definitely provides the least. Just something to think about…

I keep hearing many of the 18-28 yr olds preaching about how bad it was under Clinton but they were only 2-12yrs old when Clinton became President and were a whole 10-20yrs old at the end of it… I was disappointed to find that at my caucus 90% of the young voters could “not” speak to the actual details of either candidate’s policies but still tried to act like they knew their differences. Getting involved in politics is great but do it by studying “all” the candidates plans (not rhetoric). In this race it’s getting to be more like rooting for the Giants to beat the Patriots in that it’s easy to root for the original underdog and rally as that underdog makes progress. There’s also the obvious draw of young people to pull for someone they think looks/acts a little closer to their age. The problem is that doing so lends more towards picking someone based on rhetoric over actual facts (this could go for “either” candidate but tends to be occurring on the Obama side to the greatest extent). That’s based purely on my observations; maybe you’ve had different ones?

IRT some of the issues:
I dislike Clinton’s plan for a 5yr freeze of mortgage interest rates because it will result in “higher” rates. I prefer Barack’s plan on this topic. Setting a specific date for troop withdrawal is a bad idea also. Setting a date to have a complete “plan” would be ok but saying we’ll be leaving on date “x” (regardless of the variables involved) would be irresponsible.

I dislike Obama’s healthcare plan because, of the two Dem plans, it’s the furthest away from covering everyone.

I like Clinton’s National 401K plan.
Both Dem’s have exciting ideas for college tuition assistance and green initiatives.

The issue is that all of these plans cost a lot of money. Not to mention the cost of removing the AMT (greater than $2 trillion from 2010-2020), as well as fixing the AMT and preserving the tax cuts for earners under $200-250K. Even “if” they could do these things in a “pay-go” way they will still have a $400 billion deficit to deal with and a looming crises in Social Security, Medicare and the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled. All with a weakening economy and dollar…

It’s not going to be easy and it will take a lot more than rhetoric. Choose wisely…

From a perspective where “the most important thing is that ANY Democrat get win the election, vs. Bush’s phantom 3rd term”, toughening Senator Obama up in some prelim. rounds prior to formally contesting the other team— it might actually be doing him a favor.

Do I *really* believe this? Well, no; but the “audacity” of using negative Republican-style campaigning, vs. a candidate who’s— well, putting it bluntly— is just ‘trying not to go there’– it’s sadly ‘politics as usual’. But with what’s at stake in this election, it was bound to happen sometime, and, unfortunately, she’s proven to have a skilled, eloquent hand at smear.

As for all the argument above about Florida and Michigan? Come on, people. Get real. MI and FL KNEW that they were going to be punished, were WARNED that their results were not going to count, yet they held their elections anyway. I want to see the fervor face the culprits of this fiasco: the state parties responsible for the beligerent scheduling of their primaries / caucuses. I wan to see a formal apology from those state-rep’s responsible, addressed to their state constituents. And then a formal re-vote, if the states’ delegates are to count. Nothing else will hold the slightest semblance of legitimacy.

If she cared about the party’s chances in November she’d

1) leave sooner rather than later

2) fight a competitive race but not do anything that would harm the eventual nominee for the G.E.

Of course, cynics would say Hillary is not honorable and doesn’t care about the party, and onyl herself.

We’ll see.

Neither can Obama. How do you not see that? Neither one can get to the required number without superdelegates “or” FL/MI… This will either go to the convention (where I’ll be as a Dem delegate) or a backroom agreement will be made prior to that and a Clinton/Obama ticket will be announced. That would actually give the Dem party the best ticket to combat the Republicans anyway…

what does this mean?