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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/19/fear-and-panic-a-quantitative-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-58820</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Sarabeth&#039;s comment #9: More than fair. Which is why I think a critical look at the media&#039;s coverage is important here, and which led me to your blog today in the first place. I only watched a little bit of the news when I came home yesterday, mostly because I was annoyed that, even once it was established this was not a terrorist act, reporters kept asking questions like, &quot;Did you THINK this was an act of terrorism?&quot;

Obviously, the tradmed has a vested interest in hyping any fear/terror/panic angles - &quot;if it bleeds, it leads,&quot; as we all know. But I think, as John said above, there&#039;s a huge gap between what we say on TV and what really happened. Thankfully, real live actual New Yorkers have a vested interest in NOT running around like chickens with their heads cut off, as much as the media might like us to. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Sarabeth&#8217;s comment #9: More than fair. Which is why I think a critical look at the media&#8217;s coverage is important here, and which led me to your blog today in the first place. I only watched a little bit of the news when I came home yesterday, mostly because I was annoyed that, even once it was established this was not a terrorist act, reporters kept asking questions like, &#8220;Did you THINK this was an act of terrorism?&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously, the tradmed has a vested interest in hyping any fear/terror/panic angles &#8211; &#8220;if it bleeds, it leads,&#8221; as we all know. But I think, as John said above, there&#8217;s a huge gap between what we say on TV and what really happened. Thankfully, real live actual New Yorkers have a vested interest in NOT running around like chickens with their heads cut off, as much as the media might like us to. :)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarabeth, I&#039;m not entirely sure how to define panic, then, though I do distinguish it from fear. I usually think of panic as people acting irrationally, leading to the sorts of behavior which make potentially dangerous situations moreso. You are right - there are certainly lots of way panic can manifest.

All I&#039;m saying is that, as I descended 42 flights of stairs with absolutely zero information except a truly terrifying, un-ending roar, I didn&#039;t see panic manifest in just about the only way you&#039;d expect in that sort of situation - ie, pushing, shoving, stampeding, screaming, hollering. Everyone stayed under control and just kept marching downwards.

Were people afraid? Most definitely. I was scared, for certain. Indeed, it was fear that motivated me to head for the stairs in the first place - as I&#039;m sure it motivated just about everyone else. But I saw no panic.

As I say just above, my viewpoint was limited to seeing the workers in a large office building on the same block as the explosion try to leave their building. I didn&#039;t see everything, of course, though I&#039;ve read a fair bit in the ensuing day that doesn&#039;t contradict my intial impressions.

If you have a different take on what constitutes panic, obviously we may part ways here. But again I say, no one I saw did anything that made a scary, almost zero-information situation worse, and for that I am glad and proud of my fellow New Yorkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarabeth, I&#8217;m not entirely sure how to define panic, then, though I do distinguish it from fear. I usually think of panic as people acting irrationally, leading to the sorts of behavior which make potentially dangerous situations moreso. You are right &#8211; there are certainly lots of way panic can manifest.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that, as I descended 42 flights of stairs with absolutely zero information except a truly terrifying, un-ending roar, I didn&#8217;t see panic manifest in just about the only way you&#8217;d expect in that sort of situation &#8211; ie, pushing, shoving, stampeding, screaming, hollering. Everyone stayed under control and just kept marching downwards.</p>
<p>Were people afraid? Most definitely. I was scared, for certain. Indeed, it was fear that motivated me to head for the stairs in the first place &#8211; as I&#8217;m sure it motivated just about everyone else. But I saw no panic.</p>
<p>As I say just above, my viewpoint was limited to seeing the workers in a large office building on the same block as the explosion try to leave their building. I didn&#8217;t see everything, of course, though I&#8217;ve read a fair bit in the ensuing day that doesn&#8217;t contradict my intial impressions.</p>
<p>If you have a different take on what constitutes panic, obviously we may part ways here. But again I say, no one I saw did anything that made a scary, almost zero-information situation worse, and for that I am glad and proud of my fellow New Yorkers.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But sarabeth didnâ€™t appear to be engaging in media criticism when she referred to â€œthe degree of fear and panic observedâ€ - she seemed to be discussing what she believes actually happened.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

the second sentence of my post was meant to be a dead giveaway:
&lt;blockquote&gt;All the initial reports on the news networks focused on fear and panic in the streets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

since I don&#039;t live in NYC I can only infer what happened from media reports.  I put that on the table first before I started to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But sarabeth didnâ€™t appear to be engaging in media criticism when she referred to â€œthe degree of fear and panic observedâ€ &#8211; she seemed to be discussing what she believes actually happened.</p></blockquote>
<p>the second sentence of my post was meant to be a dead giveaway:</p>
<blockquote><p>All the initial reports on the news networks focused on fear and panic in the streets.</p></blockquote>
<p>since I don&#8217;t live in NYC I can only infer what happened from media reports.  I put that on the table first before I started to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I don&#039;t doubt that TV coverage totally hyped the panic. But sarabeth didn&#039;t appear to be engaging in media criticism when she referred to &quot;the degree of fear and panic observed&quot; - she seemed to be discussing what she believes actually happened.

And as I say, from my close-up (but admittedly limited) experience yesterday, I didn&#039;t see any panic. At all. I think that many elements in this country have indeed sought to hype fear and panic for years, for their own gain. But I think it&#039;s quite a testament to New Yorkers that, despite all this fear-mongering - whether by politicians or the traditional media - we showed as little panic as we did. Because I can say pretty confidently that if you had heard what I heard yesterday, you very likely would have been scared, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t doubt that TV coverage totally hyped the panic. But sarabeth didn&#8217;t appear to be engaging in media criticism when she referred to &#8220;the degree of fear and panic observed&#8221; &#8211; she seemed to be discussing what she believes actually happened.</p>
<p>And as I say, from my close-up (but admittedly limited) experience yesterday, I didn&#8217;t see any panic. At all. I think that many elements in this country have indeed sought to hype fear and panic for years, for their own gain. But I think it&#8217;s quite a testament to New Yorkers that, despite all this fear-mongering &#8211; whether by politicians or the traditional media &#8211; we showed as little panic as we did. Because I can say pretty confidently that if you had heard what I heard yesterday, you very likely would have been scared, too.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for David&#039;s comment, it&#039;s a bit over the top, isn&#039;t it?

&lt;blockquote&gt;And I have seen no reports of people being trampled in a mad rush to flee any place&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There were no reports of people being trampled in a mad rush to flee on 9/11 either.  So I guess that means the 9/11 attacks did not cause any fear and panic in NYC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for David&#8217;s comment, it&#8217;s a bit over the top, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<blockquote><p>And I have seen no reports of people being trampled in a mad rush to flee any place</p></blockquote>
<p>There were no reports of people being trampled in a mad rush to flee on 9/11 either.  So I guess that means the 9/11 attacks did not cause any fear and panic in NYC?</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I&#039;m really glad to hear that.  This certainly was not the way the media portrayed things yesterday.  I wish they had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I&#8217;m really glad to hear that.  This certainly was not the way the media portrayed things yesterday.  I wish they had.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m not sure what sort of â€œpanicâ€ sarabeth is referring to&lt;/blockquote&gt;

cable news hosts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m not sure what sort of â€œpanicâ€ sarabeth is referring to</p></blockquote>
<p>cable news hosts?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with John at #3. I work in a building that&#039;s on the same block the explosion took place. It was a very scary experience - the noise was frightening, and it was impossible to know the source. But as the entire building filed down nearly 50 flights of stairs, there was no panic. Definitely people were nervous and tense, but there was no pushing or shoving.

I&#039;m not sure what sort of &quot;panic&quot; sarabeth is referring to, as she doesn&#039;t link to any photos or videos. I mean, surely people fleeing the epicenter of the explosion at high speed is eminently reasonable, no? And I have seen no reports of people being trampled in a mad rush to flee any place - the sort of thing you&#039;d associate with a panicked response in a place as densely populated as midtown Manhattan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John at #3. I work in a building that&#8217;s on the same block the explosion took place. It was a very scary experience &#8211; the noise was frightening, and it was impossible to know the source. But as the entire building filed down nearly 50 flights of stairs, there was no panic. Definitely people were nervous and tense, but there was no pushing or shoving.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what sort of &#8220;panic&#8221; sarabeth is referring to, as she doesn&#8217;t link to any photos or videos. I mean, surely people fleeing the epicenter of the explosion at high speed is eminently reasonable, no? And I have seen no reports of people being trampled in a mad rush to flee any place &#8211; the sort of thing you&#8217;d associate with a panicked response in a place as densely populated as midtown Manhattan.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a regular reader of this site who works in a building very close to the site of the explosion yesterday, I&#039;d argue with your second belief - the media may have portrayed a sense of fear and panic on the ground, but overall, besides getting the hell away from a huge plume of what looked like smoke and seemed to still be exploding, people were pretty calm. People helped direct traffic so that emergency vehicles could get to the scene, and people were very helpful in passing along information as they found it out. All together, it was a pretty calm scene. Many people just kept going about their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a regular reader of this site who works in a building very close to the site of the explosion yesterday, I&#8217;d argue with your second belief &#8211; the media may have portrayed a sense of fear and panic on the ground, but overall, besides getting the hell away from a huge plume of what looked like smoke and seemed to still be exploding, people were pretty calm. People helped direct traffic so that emergency vehicles could get to the scene, and people were very helpful in passing along information as they found it out. All together, it was a pretty calm scene. Many people just kept going about their business.</p>
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		<title>By: crystalattice</title>
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		<dc:creator>crystalattice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always felt this way, that our government and media are working (consciously or not) to create an artificial level of fear in the populace. Especially Mr. Homeland Security scaring people with his &quot;gut feeling&quot; that something bad will happen somewhere sometime this summer.

Hence, anytime something &quot;bad&quot; happens, the immediate thought for everyone is that &quot;duh terror&quot; is upon us and we&#039;re all going to die.

It&#039;s like the idiots after 9/11 who were so paranoid they were going to die that they wouldn&#039;t leave their houses. The fact of the matter is more people die annually from accidents in the house than died in 9/11.

If people&#039;s first thought to any event is to believe that it&#039;s related to terrorists, then the terrorists have already won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always felt this way, that our government and media are working (consciously or not) to create an artificial level of fear in the populace. Especially Mr. Homeland Security scaring people with his &#8220;gut feeling&#8221; that something bad will happen somewhere sometime this summer.</p>
<p>Hence, anytime something &#8220;bad&#8221; happens, the immediate thought for everyone is that &#8220;duh terror&#8221; is upon us and we&#8217;re all going to die.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the idiots after 9/11 who were so paranoid they were going to die that they wouldn&#8217;t leave their houses. The fact of the matter is more people die annually from accidents in the house than died in 9/11.</p>
<p>If people&#8217;s first thought to any event is to believe that it&#8217;s related to terrorists, then the terrorists have already won.</p>
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