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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58699</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So are you agreeing at least that high health care cost is the problem?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

what is the matter with you?  honestly, it&#039;s something serious.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is no incentive to fix the problem (lower costs) just keep piling money onto the band-aid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

there&#039;s already no incentive to fix the problem.  insurance companies can charge &quot;whatever the market will bear&quot; and then people have to fight to have their care covered.  the insurance companies profit on denying care/benefits, and they are doing a great job of it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There are several factors that contribute to high health care costs, all of them is for the love of money. Drug companies, insurance companies, HMOâ€™s, malpractice insurance, frivolous lawsuits, etc, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

frivolous lawsuits.  of course.  but we&#039;ve written about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22197-2005Mar9.html?nav=rss_politics/administration&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; before.  but what do you care?  it&#039;s a republican talking point, so let it fly.  &quot;insurance companies, HMOâ€™s, malpractice insurance&quot; are all the same exact thing, insurance companies.  between the insurance companies and the drug companies, they got everything they wanted, in some cases &lt;em&gt;actually writing legislation&lt;/em&gt;, in the first 6 years of the bush administration.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Creating a tax based health insurance program addresses none of these problems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

yeah, except for providing care for those who can&#039;t afford it.  sure.

look, i&#039;m not necessarily for this bill or any other bill.  but the simple fact is that until we have single-payer, bills like this will come up because those without insurance have to have relief.  and i&#039;m so sorry to inform you, the market will not sort this out because it has not sorted this out given a long time to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So are you agreeing at least that high health care cost is the problem?</p></blockquote>
<p>what is the matter with you?  honestly, it&#8217;s something serious.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no incentive to fix the problem (lower costs) just keep piling money onto the band-aid.</p></blockquote>
<p>there&#8217;s already no incentive to fix the problem.  insurance companies can charge &#8220;whatever the market will bear&#8221; and then people have to fight to have their care covered.  the insurance companies profit on denying care/benefits, and they are doing a great job of it.</p>
<blockquote><p>There are several factors that contribute to high health care costs, all of them is for the love of money. Drug companies, insurance companies, HMOâ€™s, malpractice insurance, frivolous lawsuits, etc, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>frivolous lawsuits.  of course.  but we&#8217;ve written about <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22197-2005Mar9.html?nav=rss_politics/administration" rel="nofollow">this</a> before.  but what do you care?  it&#8217;s a republican talking point, so let it fly.  &#8220;insurance companies, HMOâ€™s, malpractice insurance&#8221; are all the same exact thing, insurance companies.  between the insurance companies and the drug companies, they got everything they wanted, in some cases <em>actually writing legislation</em>, in the first 6 years of the bush administration.</p>
<blockquote><p>Creating a tax based health insurance program addresses none of these problems.</p></blockquote>
<p>yeah, except for providing care for those who can&#8217;t afford it.  sure.</p>
<p>look, i&#8217;m not necessarily for this bill or any other bill.  but the simple fact is that until we have single-payer, bills like this will come up because those without insurance have to have relief.  and i&#8217;m so sorry to inform you, the market will not sort this out because it has not sorted this out given a long time to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: sac</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58698</link>
		<dc:creator>sac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, I have no problem with the fact that my solution would mean that part of my taxes would pay for those who don&#039;t pay taxes. That&#039;s unavoidable and not something I would consider a dealbreaker. It&#039;s a baby/bathwater analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, I have no problem with the fact that my solution would mean that part of my taxes would pay for those who don&#8217;t pay taxes. That&#8217;s unavoidable and not something I would consider a dealbreaker. It&#8217;s a baby/bathwater analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: sac</title>
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		<dc:creator>sac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There are several factors that contribute to high health care costs, all of them is for the love of money. Drug companies, insurance companies, HMOâ€™s, malpractice insurance, frivolous lawsuits, etc, etc.

Creating a tax based health insurance program addresses none of these problems. However, I am in favor of a short term band-aid if in the bill, money is allocated to addressing the real problems and finding a long term solution, one where the Government isnâ€™t the provider.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re right in that private healthcare is nothing but a business that exists to turn a profit. You advocate a solution lowering the costs of healthcare that doesn&#039;t involve the gov&#039;t, but how is that possible when lowering costs, and therefore, profits, are anathema to any business? What outside force other than the gov&#039;t could convince the healthcare industry to lower costs? People are generally too consumed just trying to get by to form any kind of effective movement th counter the healthcare industry&#039;s pricing practices. Especially when it comes to their health.

The only solution I see is universal coverage. Take the brunt of healthcare costs away from businesses and shift it to the gov&#039;t. Our taxes would most likely rise, but probably not by, for instance, the 450 bucks a month I pay for my family&#039;s health insurance. This would help individual people as well as businesses, many of which are saddled to the breaking point by the cost of covering current and former employees&#039; health insurance costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There are several factors that contribute to high health care costs, all of them is for the love of money. Drug companies, insurance companies, HMOâ€™s, malpractice insurance, frivolous lawsuits, etc, etc.</p>
<p>Creating a tax based health insurance program addresses none of these problems. However, I am in favor of a short term band-aid if in the bill, money is allocated to addressing the real problems and finding a long term solution, one where the Government isnâ€™t the provider.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re right in that private healthcare is nothing but a business that exists to turn a profit. You advocate a solution lowering the costs of healthcare that doesn&#8217;t involve the gov&#8217;t, but how is that possible when lowering costs, and therefore, profits, are anathema to any business? What outside force other than the gov&#8217;t could convince the healthcare industry to lower costs? People are generally too consumed just trying to get by to form any kind of effective movement th counter the healthcare industry&#8217;s pricing practices. Especially when it comes to their health.</p>
<p>The only solution I see is universal coverage. Take the brunt of healthcare costs away from businesses and shift it to the gov&#8217;t. Our taxes would most likely rise, but probably not by, for instance, the 450 bucks a month I pay for my family&#8217;s health insurance. This would help individual people as well as businesses, many of which are saddled to the breaking point by the cost of covering current and former employees&#8217; health insurance costs.</p>
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		<title>By: JollyRoger</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58696</link>
		<dc:creator>JollyRoger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Spending federal dollars to â€œinsureâ€ those that have no insurance is a joke. Most hospitals provide care to the uninsured, regardless of their ability to pay.&lt;/i&gt;

Praytell,  who do you think PAYS for that? Do you think a magic fairy sprinkles diamond dust on the hospitals? News Flash: WE-you and I-pay for that. Since the uninsured wait till they are desperate to seek care, we pay a lot MORE than we would if they were insured. Don&#039;t you Chimpletons do anything beyond parrot the talking points?

I don&#039;t blame you for posting anonymously, &quot;Biff.&quot; If I was spewing this tripe I wouldn&#039;t want people to know who I was either. 

I get so weary of the endless, mindless wheel of long-shot-to-pieces RNC trips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Spending federal dollars to â€œinsureâ€ those that have no insurance is a joke. Most hospitals provide care to the uninsured, regardless of their ability to pay.</i></p>
<p>Praytell,  who do you think PAYS for that? Do you think a magic fairy sprinkles diamond dust on the hospitals? News Flash: WE-you and I-pay for that. Since the uninsured wait till they are desperate to seek care, we pay a lot MORE than we would if they were insured. Don&#8217;t you Chimpletons do anything beyond parrot the talking points?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame you for posting anonymously, &#8220;Biff.&#8221; If I was spewing this tripe I wouldn&#8217;t want people to know who I was either. </p>
<p>I get so weary of the endless, mindless wheel of long-shot-to-pieces RNC trips.</p>
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		<title>By: JimC</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58695</link>
		<dc:creator>JimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;please, oh great health care expert, bless us with the real reason costs are so high. iâ€™ll wait.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So are you agreeing at least that high health care cost is the problem?

Problem with creating a tax to pay for the uninsured is that what happens when health care cost rise? Naturally more taxes are needed, and so on and so on. There is no incentive to fix the problem (lower costs) just keep piling money onto the band-aid. 

There are several factors that contribute to high health care costs, all of them is for the love of money. Drug companies, insurance companies, HMO&#039;s, malpractice insurance, frivolous lawsuits, etc, etc.

Creating a tax based health insurance program addresses none of these problems. However, I am in favor of a short term band-aid if in the bill, money is allocated to addressing the real problems and finding a long term solution, one where the Government isn&#039;t the provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>please, oh great health care expert, bless us with the real reason costs are so high. iâ€™ll wait.</p></blockquote>
<p>So are you agreeing at least that high health care cost is the problem?</p>
<p>Problem with creating a tax to pay for the uninsured is that what happens when health care cost rise? Naturally more taxes are needed, and so on and so on. There is no incentive to fix the problem (lower costs) just keep piling money onto the band-aid. </p>
<p>There are several factors that contribute to high health care costs, all of them is for the love of money. Drug companies, insurance companies, HMO&#8217;s, malpractice insurance, frivolous lawsuits, etc, etc.</p>
<p>Creating a tax based health insurance program addresses none of these problems. However, I am in favor of a short term band-aid if in the bill, money is allocated to addressing the real problems and finding a long term solution, one where the Government isn&#8217;t the provider.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58693</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you are uninsured, one sickness can set you back for years if not bankrupt a person entirely.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

maybe you haven&#039;t read the bankruptcy bill lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you are uninsured, one sickness can set you back for years if not bankrupt a person entirely.</p></blockquote>
<p>maybe you haven&#8217;t read the bankruptcy bill lately.</p>
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		<title>By: sac</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58692</link>
		<dc:creator>sac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;sac: nice reply.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>sac: nice reply.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: D-day</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58690</link>
		<dc:creator>D-day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ERs are the primary healthcare giver for the uninsured (although expect bill collectors to be a callin&#039;) and that is the worst of possible healthcare solutions. If you are uninsured, one sickness can set you back for years if not bankrupt a person entirely. Some of course, take their chances and end up dead. 
Bush doesn&#039;t care of course. The term &quot;compassionate conservative&quot; was just a sound bite. A ploy to get elected and nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ERs are the primary healthcare giver for the uninsured (although expect bill collectors to be a callin&#8217;) and that is the worst of possible healthcare solutions. If you are uninsured, one sickness can set you back for years if not bankrupt a person entirely. Some of course, take their chances and end up dead.<br />
Bush doesn&#8217;t care of course. The term &#8220;compassionate conservative&#8221; was just a sound bite. A ploy to get elected and nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/07/17/metamorphosis/comment-page-1/#comment-58689</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The cost of health care is expensive, yes, the solution is to fix the reason behind high health care costs not throw money on the fire.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

please, oh great health care expert, bless us with the real reason costs are so high.  i&#039;ll wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The cost of health care is expensive, yes, the solution is to fix the reason behind high health care costs not throw money on the fire.</p></blockquote>
<p>please, oh great health care expert, bless us with the real reason costs are so high.  i&#8217;ll wait.</p>
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		<title>By: mirth</title>
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		<dc:creator>mirth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuff like this makes me wanna holler.
Of course I disagree with Bush, but I also disagree with Baucus. Why should an a select group of Americans be taxed to fund this program? Because it&#039;s an lazy fix to go after demonized smokers instead of proposing an across-the-board tax in an election cycle or taking it from the seemingly bottomless money pit of available funds for wars and war machines, billions of which can go missing and &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; is done to force accountability.

sac: nice reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuff like this makes me wanna holler.<br />
Of course I disagree with Bush, but I also disagree with Baucus. Why should an a select group of Americans be taxed to fund this program? Because it&#8217;s an lazy fix to go after demonized smokers instead of proposing an across-the-board tax in an election cycle or taking it from the seemingly bottomless money pit of available funds for wars and war machines, billions of which can go missing and <i>nothing</i> is done to force accountability.</p>
<p>sac: nice reply.</p>
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