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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/05/18/consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-59628</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;First, I take issue with your blanket statement that Joe Lieberman was Obamaâ€™s mentor. Do your research before making statements that are untrue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

what exactly do you &quot;take issue with?&quot; certainly a quick google search (research) would have yielded &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/&quot; target=_blank rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; or 36,000 other results that would have prevented you from making a complete fool out of yourself in the first paragraph:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman
By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer  &#124;  March 31, 2006

HARTFORD, Conn. --U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, &lt;strong&gt;throwing his support behind mentor&lt;/strong&gt; and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ouch.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You are naive to think that legislation, which is extremely complex, would not take compromise to reach agreement on new bills put forward.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

right, &lt;em&gt;i&#039;m&lt;/em&gt; the naive one.  everything takes some level of compromise.  doesn&#039;t mean you have to make it the centerpiece of your campaign in the political climate we&#039;re in now.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is something Presidents past have been unable to accomplish.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

no.  they&#039;ve sat in the chair and realized that they need to fight for what they believe in, not some average of it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Equating this time in our history with that of Martin Luther King is like caparing apples to oranges.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

aside from managing to invent a new word and make a trite little judgement call, can you explain to me how i&#039;m &lt;em&gt;caparing&lt;/em&gt; apples to oranges?

&lt;blockquote&gt;You take Senator Obamaâ€™s discussion on Race and lump that in with foreign policy and issues facing Americans today. That is rediculous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

how is it &lt;em&gt;rediculous&lt;/em&gt;?  again, you&#039;re not making any arguments.  you&#039;re just venting, and worse, just repeating obama fundraising letters.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Senator Obama admires Martin Luther King, but I would hazard a guess that even Martin Luther King would be hard pressed to deal with the issues facing us all today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

because you think now is somehow worse?  or because you think dr king wouldn&#039;t have been equal to the task?  he was a &lt;em&gt;leader&lt;/em&gt;.  and leaders lead.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Comparing compromise on foreign policy, with compromise on race issues of 30 years ago shows you are not up on your current events. Do some research, get your facts straight and then write an opinion piece.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

you showed that you haven&#039;t done any research.  you got pissed, rushed out a response to quiet the voices in your little head, got the facts wrong, invented two words, didn&#039;t refute &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; i said, and somehow managed to accuse me of not being up on current events because i have a sense of history.  not very impressive i&#039;m afraid.

step your game up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First, I take issue with your blanket statement that Joe Lieberman was Obamaâ€™s mentor. Do your research before making statements that are untrue.</p></blockquote>
<p>what exactly do you &#8220;take issue with?&#8221; certainly a quick google search (research) would have yielded <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/" target=_blank rel="nofollow">this</a> or 36,000 other results that would have prevented you from making a complete fool out of yourself in the first paragraph:</p>
<blockquote><p>Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman<br />
By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer  |  March 31, 2006</p>
<p>HARTFORD, Conn. &#8211;U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, <strong>throwing his support behind mentor</strong> and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.</p></blockquote>
<p>ouch.</p>
<blockquote><p>You are naive to think that legislation, which is extremely complex, would not take compromise to reach agreement on new bills put forward.</p></blockquote>
<p>right, <em>i&#8217;m</em> the naive one.  everything takes some level of compromise.  doesn&#8217;t mean you have to make it the centerpiece of your campaign in the political climate we&#8217;re in now.</p>
<blockquote><p>This is something Presidents past have been unable to accomplish.</p></blockquote>
<p>no.  they&#8217;ve sat in the chair and realized that they need to fight for what they believe in, not some average of it.</p>
<blockquote><p>Equating this time in our history with that of Martin Luther King is like caparing apples to oranges.</p></blockquote>
<p>aside from managing to invent a new word and make a trite little judgement call, can you explain to me how i&#8217;m <em>caparing</em> apples to oranges?</p>
<blockquote><p>You take Senator Obamaâ€™s discussion on Race and lump that in with foreign policy and issues facing Americans today. That is rediculous.</p></blockquote>
<p>how is it <em>rediculous</em>?  again, you&#8217;re not making any arguments.  you&#8217;re just venting, and worse, just repeating obama fundraising letters.</p>
<blockquote><p>Senator Obama admires Martin Luther King, but I would hazard a guess that even Martin Luther King would be hard pressed to deal with the issues facing us all today.</p></blockquote>
<p>because you think now is somehow worse?  or because you think dr king wouldn&#8217;t have been equal to the task?  he was a <em>leader</em>.  and leaders lead.</p>
<blockquote><p>Comparing compromise on foreign policy, with compromise on race issues of 30 years ago shows you are not up on your current events. Do some research, get your facts straight and then write an opinion piece.</p></blockquote>
<p>you showed that you haven&#8217;t done any research.  you got pissed, rushed out a response to quiet the voices in your little head, got the facts wrong, invented two words, didn&#8217;t refute <em>anything</em> i said, and somehow managed to accuse me of not being up on current events because i have a sense of history.  not very impressive i&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>step your game up.</p>
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		<title>By: francny</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/05/18/consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-59625</link>
		<dc:creator>francny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I take issue with your blanket statement that Joe Lieberman was Obama&#039;s mentor.  Do your research before making statements that are untrue.
When Senator Obama arrived in Washington as a new Senator, Joe Liberberman showed him around and introduced him to other Senators.  That does not make him a mentor.  Obama returned the favor by making ONE speech on behalf of Sen. Liberman, showing he is a man of his word as he had given his word that he would appear at a Liberman function.  This does not make him Liberman&#039;s man.

Secondly, Senator Obama has shown time and time again, his ability to work across the aisle in both the State Senate in Illinois and the US Senate to come to concensus on proposed legislation.  You are naive to think that legislation, which is extremely complex, would not take compromise to reach agreement on new bills put forward.

Senator Obama has never been afraid to voice his disagreement with the Republicans on issues and some Democrats.  But he has also shown what many US Senators lack, and that is the ability to work with both parties.  This is something Presidents past have been unable to accomplish.

Comparing TODAY&#039;S need for ALL citizens to work together to repair the damage to our country both at home and our World reputation done by both Bush and Clinton, it is time for a President who can &quot;compromise&quot;.  Equating this time in our history with that of Martin Luther King is like caparing apples to oranges.  Different time, different issues.  You take Senator Obama&#039;s discussion on Race and lump that in with foreign policy and issues facing Americans today.  That is rediculous.  Senator Obama admires Martin Luther King, but I would hazard a guess that even Martin Luther King would be hard pressed to deal with the issues facing us all today.  Comparing compromise on foreign policy, with compromise on race issues of 30 years ago shows you are not up on your current events.  Do some research, get your facts straight and then write an opinion piece.  And though I support Senator Obama, I don&#039;t swoon as you put it at his every word.  There are some things I am not exactly in agreement with him on, but to have Clinton forced down my throat as an alternative is enough to want me to puke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I take issue with your blanket statement that Joe Lieberman was Obama&#8217;s mentor.  Do your research before making statements that are untrue.<br />
When Senator Obama arrived in Washington as a new Senator, Joe Liberberman showed him around and introduced him to other Senators.  That does not make him a mentor.  Obama returned the favor by making ONE speech on behalf of Sen. Liberman, showing he is a man of his word as he had given his word that he would appear at a Liberman function.  This does not make him Liberman&#8217;s man.</p>
<p>Secondly, Senator Obama has shown time and time again, his ability to work across the aisle in both the State Senate in Illinois and the US Senate to come to concensus on proposed legislation.  You are naive to think that legislation, which is extremely complex, would not take compromise to reach agreement on new bills put forward.</p>
<p>Senator Obama has never been afraid to voice his disagreement with the Republicans on issues and some Democrats.  But he has also shown what many US Senators lack, and that is the ability to work with both parties.  This is something Presidents past have been unable to accomplish.</p>
<p>Comparing TODAY&#8217;S need for ALL citizens to work together to repair the damage to our country both at home and our World reputation done by both Bush and Clinton, it is time for a President who can &#8220;compromise&#8221;.  Equating this time in our history with that of Martin Luther King is like caparing apples to oranges.  Different time, different issues.  You take Senator Obama&#8217;s discussion on Race and lump that in with foreign policy and issues facing Americans today.  That is rediculous.  Senator Obama admires Martin Luther King, but I would hazard a guess that even Martin Luther King would be hard pressed to deal with the issues facing us all today.  Comparing compromise on foreign policy, with compromise on race issues of 30 years ago shows you are not up on your current events.  Do some research, get your facts straight and then write an opinion piece.  And though I support Senator Obama, I don&#8217;t swoon as you put it at his every word.  There are some things I am not exactly in agreement with him on, but to have Clinton forced down my throat as an alternative is enough to want me to puke.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/05/18/consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-57154</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too late, matt.  You had your chance to answer the question, and apparently it was before the fair nicole posted her question.  I&#039;m sure she waited a reasonable amount of time between &quot;Are you holding the other candidates to the same standard?&quot; and &quot;Didnâ€™t think so.&quot;  you had your chance, and you blew it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too late, matt.  You had your chance to answer the question, and apparently it was before the fair nicole posted her question.  I&#8217;m sure she waited a reasonable amount of time between &#8220;Are you holding the other candidates to the same standard?&#8221; and &#8220;Didnâ€™t think so.&#8221;  you had your chance, and you blew it.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2007/05/18/consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-57116</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you holding the other candidates to the same standard?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

the standard of not proposing courses of action that are doomed to fail?  the standard of not allowing trent lott and roy blunt any say whatsoever in the next democratic administration?  the standard of fighting hard for what&#039;s right?

you&#039;re damn right i am.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Didnâ€™t think so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

of course you didn&#039;t.  &quot;thinking so&quot; entails thinking, which you clearly didn&#039;t do before reflexively condemning any idea that dares question obama the untouchable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are you holding the other candidates to the same standard?</p></blockquote>
<p>the standard of not proposing courses of action that are doomed to fail?  the standard of not allowing trent lott and roy blunt any say whatsoever in the next democratic administration?  the standard of fighting hard for what&#8217;s right?</p>
<p>you&#8217;re damn right i am.</p>
<blockquote><p>Didnâ€™t think so.</p></blockquote>
<p>of course you didn&#8217;t.  &#8220;thinking so&#8221; entails thinking, which you clearly didn&#8217;t do before reflexively condemning any idea that dares question obama the untouchable.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you holding the other candidates to the same standard? Didn&#039;t think so.</description>
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		<title>By: Nick in Beantown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick in Beantown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 14:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  The problems we face are too serious to have corresponding solutions in the mushy middle, especially when you consider their origin.  Although I believe it is important that both sides work together and help us move forward as a nation, rather than opposing armies of red and blue, I do not believe in fairy tales.  That wound will have to heal sometime down the road.  In the meantime, it broke and there is no compelling argument for compromising with those who broke it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  The problems we face are too serious to have corresponding solutions in the mushy middle, especially when you consider their origin.  Although I believe it is important that both sides work together and help us move forward as a nation, rather than opposing armies of red and blue, I do not believe in fairy tales.  That wound will have to heal sometime down the road.  In the meantime, it broke and there is no compelling argument for compromising with those who broke it.</p>
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