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	<title>Comments on: Judge Taylor Orders Immediate Halt To Warrantless Wiretapping</title>
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		<title>By: AndresB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndresB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least Republicans wasted no time before flat out lying in order to damn Judge Taylor&#039;s ruling. From today&#039;s NYTimes article on the ruling:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In a written statement criticizing Judge Taylorâ€™s ruling, [Republican Speaker of the House Dennis] Hastert defended the wiretapping operation and said that â€œour terrorist surveillance programs are critical to fighting the war on terror and saved the day by foiling the London terror plot.â€ 

His office declined to elaborate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe if we stopped &quot;saving the day&quot; so often more terrorists would get charged with actual crimes and be behind bars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least Republicans wasted no time before flat out lying in order to damn Judge Taylor&#8217;s ruling. From today&#8217;s NYTimes article on the ruling:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a written statement criticizing Judge Taylorâ€™s ruling, [Republican Speaker of the House Dennis] Hastert defended the wiretapping operation and said that â€œour terrorist surveillance programs are critical to fighting the war on terror and saved the day by foiling the London terror plot.â€ </p>
<p>His office declined to elaborate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe if we stopped &#8220;saving the day&#8221; so often more terrorists would get charged with actual crimes and be behind bars.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2006/08/17/judge-taylor-orders-immediate-halt-to-warrantless-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-17236</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhonda said to matt t:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Great! Do you have any links to support that claim? The article said â€œU.S. picked up the suspectsâ€™ chatter and shared it with British authoritiesâ€, if the NSA now has a warrant to listen in on â€œchatterâ€ which is non-specific conversations, then I guess the whole warrant-less â€œspyingâ€ debate is irrelevant? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

On behalf of matt t, here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/11/AR2006081102053_2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In the days before the alleged airliner bombing plot was exposed, more than 200 FBI agents followed up leads inside the United States looking for potential connections to British and Pakistani suspects. The investigation was so large, officials said, that it brought a significant surge in warrants for searches and surveillance from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the secret panel that oversees most clandestine surveillance.

One official estimated that scores of secret U.S. warrants were dedicated solely to the London plot. The government usually averages a few dozen a week for all counterintelligence investigations, according to federal statistics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rhonda said to me:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Yes sir, keep applauding your brillianceâ€¦&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

My reply: &quot;You, sir, have egg on your face.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda said to matt t:</p>
<blockquote><p>Great! Do you have any links to support that claim? The article said â€œU.S. picked up the suspectsâ€™ chatter and shared it with British authoritiesâ€, if the NSA now has a warrant to listen in on â€œchatterâ€ which is non-specific conversations, then I guess the whole warrant-less â€œspyingâ€ debate is irrelevant? </p></blockquote>
<p>On behalf of matt t, here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/11/AR2006081102053_2.html" rel="nofollow">link</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the days before the alleged airliner bombing plot was exposed, more than 200 FBI agents followed up leads inside the United States looking for potential connections to British and Pakistani suspects. The investigation was so large, officials said, that it brought a significant surge in warrants for searches and surveillance from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the secret panel that oversees most clandestine surveillance.</p>
<p>One official estimated that scores of secret U.S. warrants were dedicated solely to the London plot. The government usually averages a few dozen a week for all counterintelligence investigations, according to federal statistics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Rhonda said to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Yes sir, keep applauding your brillianceâ€¦&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>My reply: &#8220;You, sir, have egg on your face.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2006/08/17/judge-taylor-orders-immediate-halt-to-warrantless-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-17233</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, AndresB. That is something that apparently needs to be repeated regularly to the Rhondas of this world.  The judge is not saying: &quot;Don&#039;t do it!&quot;  She&#039;s only saying: &quot;Do it legally, for God&#039;s sake!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, AndresB. That is something that apparently needs to be repeated regularly to the Rhondas of this world.  The judge is not saying: &#8220;Don&#8217;t do it!&#8221;  She&#8217;s only saying: &#8220;Do it legally, for God&#8217;s sake!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2006/08/17/judge-taylor-orders-immediate-halt-to-warrantless-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-17232</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British and Pakistani authorities have had this group under surveillance for &lt;em&gt;many&lt;/em&gt; months. The plot was uncovered by them well before we picked up the chatter.  The chatter may or may not have helped investigators very much.  All that is totally unclear at this point.  Under the circumstances, &quot;the very mechanism that triggered the terror plot bust&quot; is outrageous hyperbole.

As far as I am aware, there were no reports of any tangible contributions by the U.S. prior to the &lt;em&gt;Time&lt;/em&gt; story.  So I don&#039;t feel much urge to hang my head in shame at my previous statements that we contributed nothing to averting this plot.

It is also very clear that the U.S.&#039;s main role was to force a premature ejaculation that may well cause many suspects to escape significant charges.  I will have more on this tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British and Pakistani authorities have had this group under surveillance for <em>many</em> months. The plot was uncovered by them well before we picked up the chatter.  The chatter may or may not have helped investigators very much.  All that is totally unclear at this point.  Under the circumstances, &#8220;the very mechanism that triggered the terror plot bust&#8221; is outrageous hyperbole.</p>
<p>As far as I am aware, there were no reports of any tangible contributions by the U.S. prior to the <em>Time</em> story.  So I don&#8217;t feel much urge to hang my head in shame at my previous statements that we contributed nothing to averting this plot.</p>
<p>It is also very clear that the U.S.&#8217;s main role was to force a premature ejaculation that may well cause many suspects to escape significant charges.  I will have more on this tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: AndresB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndresB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Rhonda, I&#039;m sure a secret FISA surveillance court which has denied a handful of warrant requests in its entire existence would say no to the administration going up to it and saying: &quot;We have reason to beleive, and evidence to back up the claim, that Islamic terrorists in Britain are planning to blow up ten mid air flights en route from Britain to the United States. We would like to pursue this lead further.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Rhonda, I&#8217;m sure a secret FISA surveillance court which has denied a handful of warrant requests in its entire existence would say no to the administration going up to it and saying: &#8220;We have reason to beleive, and evidence to back up the claim, that Islamic terrorists in Britain are planning to blow up ten mid air flights en route from Britain to the United States. We would like to pursue this lead further.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That intelligence was gathered through warranted surveillance. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Great! Do you have any links to support that claim? The article said â€œU.S. picked up the suspects&#039; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;chatter&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; and shared it with British authoritiesâ€, if the NSA now has a warrant to listen in on â€œchatterâ€ which is non-specific conversations, then I guess the whole warrant-less â€œspyingâ€ debate is irrelevant? Furthermore, Sarabeth has been saying since this broke that the US has had nothing to do with the foiled plot yet this appears to refute her claim, does it not?

&lt;blockquote&gt; Itâ€™s not entirely clear to me what Rhonda meant. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
What I meant by my comment is that this judge is now potentially stopping the very mechanism that triggered the terror plot bust. We should be careful what we celebrate and wish forâ€¦.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That intelligence was gathered through warranted surveillance.
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<p>Great! Do you have any links to support that claim? The article said â€œU.S. picked up the suspects&#8217; <strong><em>chatter</em></strong> and shared it with British authoritiesâ€, if the NSA now has a warrant to listen in on â€œchatterâ€ which is non-specific conversations, then I guess the whole warrant-less â€œspyingâ€ debate is irrelevant? Furthermore, Sarabeth has been saying since this broke that the US has had nothing to do with the foiled plot yet this appears to refute her claim, does it not?</p>
<blockquote><p> Itâ€™s not entirely clear to me what Rhonda meant. </p></blockquote>
<p>What I meant by my comment is that this judge is now potentially stopping the very mechanism that triggered the terror plot bust. We should be careful what we celebrate and wish forâ€¦.</p>
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		<title>By: sarabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2006/08/17/judge-taylor-orders-immediate-halt-to-warrantless-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-17228</link>
		<dc:creator>sarabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not entirely clear to me what Rhonda meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not entirely clear to me what Rhonda meant.</p>
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		<title>By: matt t</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the groupâ€™s communications&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That intelligence was gathered through &lt;em&gt;warranted&lt;/em&gt; surveillance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the groupâ€™s communications</p></blockquote>
<p>That intelligence was gathered through <em>warranted</em> surveillance.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2006/08/17/judge-taylor-orders-immediate-halt-to-warrantless-wiretapping/comment-page-1/#comment-17225</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group&#039;s communications&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes sir, keep applauding your brilliance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html" rel="nofollow">U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group&#8217;s communications</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Yes sir, keep applauding your brilliance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sac</title>
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		<dc:creator>sac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In light of this, I predict Tony Snow will announce the new Emperorship of George W. Bush. All hail King George!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In light of this, I predict Tony Snow will announce the new Emperorship of George W. Bush. All hail King George!!</p>
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