Zarqawi’s Death, Take Two

Are these guys managing to screw up what should have been an unmitigated PR triumph?

…U.S. authorities altered their initial account of the al-Qaida leader’s death, first saying he died outright in a U.S. airstrike, then saying he survived but died soon after.

Since Friday, many people have pointed out the extreme improbability of anyone in a house surviving a direct hit by two 500-lb bombs on the house. That coupled with the sudden change in the official account of Zarqawi’s death has some people now openly wondering what the truth about Zarqawi’s death really is. Addressing the controversy,

(the) U.S. military flew in two forensic specialists Saturday to examine the remains of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi “to see how he actually died” and to reconstruct the last minutes of his life, a spokesman said.

No one seems to be asking yet why it was necessary to fly out forensic specialists from the U.S. Surely part of the $288 billion we have spent to date on the Iraq war went towards stationing doctors in Iraq who are fully competent to conduct autopsies? In view of the controversy already created, it is to be hoped that the forensic specialists we beamed in not only have unimpeachable professional credentials but can also be credibly regarded as independent.

Meanwhile Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Baghdad, is there to explain why we’ve already had two versions of events, neither of them the definitive version:

“It’s not going to be 100 percent accurate all the time, but the first reports are going to be a little confused. There are going to be some conflicting stories,” Caldwell said, adding that the military should have an accurate chronology ready by Monday.

It always takes us a while to get it right, huh? No doubt, it is also helpful to have the results of the autopsy first, before you manufacture the true version of events. After all, it’s best all round if this next version is the last and final version.

Here’s the current version, as per Gen. Caldwell:

He said Iraqi police reached the scene first and found the 39-year-old al-Zarqawi alive.

“The coalition forces arrived on the scene. The Iraqi police were there. They in fact saw a person on a stretcher. They moved to that person immediately. A medical person started immediately applying first aid to that person. Another person was trying to talk to that person, to try to identify who this was. They were trying to talk to him and ask him who he was,” Caldwell said.

The Forbes/AP report also says:

Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast and cordoned it off. He said they had a patrol in the area already.

So what does Gen. Caldwell mean exactly when he says that there are some conflicting stories? That our version doesn’t agree with the Iraqi police version? Or that Lt. Col. Fisher’s men have some conflicting versions between them?

And the people who put out Version 1.0 on Thursday and Version 2.0 on Friday, they knew that there were conflicting stories, that wouldn’t get resolved till Monday, but they chose to go ahead and put out those versions anyway? Or they didn’t know? Is that better or worse?

But why engage in fruitless speculation? Let’s wait and see what they put out on Monday, whether it‘s Version 3.0, or just Version 1.1 or 2.1.

Complicating matters,

… an Iraqi man raised fresh questions, telling Associated Press Television News that he saw U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from his nose.
[…]
The Iraqi, identified only as Mohammed, said he lives near the house where al-Zarqawi was killed. He said residents put a bearded man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived.

“When the Americans arrived they took him out of the ambulance, they beat him on his stomach and wrapped his head with his dishdasha, then they stomped on his stomach and his chest until he died and blood came out of his nose,” Mohammed said, without saying how he knew the man was dead.
[…]
No other witnesses have come forward to corroborate the account. U.S. officials have only said al-Zarqawi mumbled and tried to roll off a stretcher before dying.

No doubt there will be further developments on this front, but let’s go back to Lt. Col. Fisher’s men for a minute. I could have sworn U.S. authorities said earlier that Zarqawi had to be bombed, that capturing him wasn’t an option because we had no forces in the area. Yes, sure enough:

By the time two American jet fighters were called in to drop their 500 pound bombs, General George Casey was certain Zarqawi was in the house, and there was no thought of trying to capture him alive.

“Because the only means that could be applied in a timely fashion was the attack by air power and that was decided by General Casey as the right thing to do,” U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad told ABC News.

How come everything they say runs to multiple versions? But no doubt, Lt. Col. Fisher is telling the truth as he knows it, and Ambassador Khalilzad is telling the truth as he knows it. And it ain’t a lie unless the falsehood was deliberate. Of course, we don’t know who’s falsehooding here. Could well be Lt. Col. Fisher.

Comments

  1. JimC says:

    Give me a break, you appear to believe an account of some unknown Iraqi “witness” over our own military….I get ya now, like I’ve always suspected, you hate our military….

    Our military are complete liars, yes everyone of them, of course they are, why else would there be multiple accounts of what happend! Surely it couldn’t be because the story was broke before all the reports were in.

    What is this obsession of yours to find *any* fault of our military when they do their jobs? You have some sickness that you desparately need help with…

    unbelievable….

  2. matt says:

    you appear

    you either need glasses or better reading skills.

  3. sarabeth says:

    There’s no point arguing with a stark raving lunatic.

    I always knew that, of course. But I have now repeated it to myself 100 times. And I go to (try and) practice what I just preached to myself.

    For the record, I am responsible only for what I actually write, and not for what Jimbo-Bimbo’s twisted mind reads into it.

    (Thanks to Jamie Beth and Spiddy-beth for not getting on my case during my recent extended fall from grace.)

  4. JimC says:

    you either need glasses or better reading skills.

    What else can one conclude from this post and the string of other anti-military laced posts that this is nothing but contempt of our military, sorry but even giving mention to this ridiculous.

    Since Friday, many people have pointed out the extreme improbability of anyone in a house surviving a direct hit by two 500-lb bombs on the house. That coupled with the sudden change in the official account of Zarqawi’s death has some people now openly wondering what the truth about Zarqawi’s death really is. Addressing the controversy,

    This paragraph has nothing but contempt for those servicemen involved in this incident…

    before you manufacture the true version of events

    Who is going to be doing the “manufacturing”? Hmmm….perhaps the lying military…

    No doubt there will be further developments on this front, but let’s go back to Lt. Col. Fisher’s men for a minute. I could have sworn U.S. authorities said earlier that Zarqawi had to be bombed, that capturing him wasn’t an option because we had no forces in the area. Yes, sure enough:

    No, it wasn’t because there were no forces in the area, I gave a perfectly valid scenario in which a firefight could give Zarqawi an opportunity to escape again and also put our troops in a situation where many casualties could be had rather than just dropping bombs on the sucker….

  5. JimC says:

    For the record, I am responsible only for what I actually write, and not for what Jimbo-Bimbo’s twisted mind reads into it.

    Read into it??? How else is this post even suppsoed to be read other than the 3 stooges military better get their lies straight before doing PR releases….

    For example, Sarabeth, why haven’t you posted any thing about this? Surely your intense interest in the Haditha incident would desire the whole truth and the whole picture and you would want to reflect that fairly, so how about it? This Marine flatly denies that they went on a rampage and murdered civilians. He doesn’t deny the killing of civilians but it is far from a blood thirsty cold blooded execution story that we have come to love….or is this marine also lying????

  6. sac says:

    Autopsy report this morning says he died from collasped lungs as a result of the blast wave, suggesting he was in the vicinity of the bomb instead of directly under it. That, or the “Mohammed” version.

    Personally, I don’t give a shit how he died. It seems very plausible to me that early reports of the incident were not clear given the chaotic aspect of war. I probably would prefer the “Mohammed” version of events, actually, as there would be less possibilities for civilian casualties.

  7. sarabeth says:

    The autopsy report also specifically says there were no signs he had been beaten:

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda leader killed last week in a U.S. airstrike in Iraq, died of massive internal injuries caused by the bombs dropped on his hideout and was neither beaten nor shot.

    I probably would prefer the “Mohammed” version of events, actually, as there would be less possibilities for civilian casualties.

    The Mohammed version was: first the bombs and then stomping. So the possibilities for civilian casualties were the same, weren’t they?

    It seems very plausible to me that early reports of the incident were not clear given the chaotic aspect of war.

    I really don’t see how the fog of war can explain how “he died 52 minutes after the bombing” turns into “he was dead when we found him”. Fog of war might explain some inaccuracy about how long after the bombing he died, or details of what happened after he was found and before he died. There’s no way the first U.S. troops on the scene or the Iraqi authorities could have got confused and said he was dead when he was found.

  8. sarabeth says:

    And let’s also remember that the first U.S. military statement on his death wasn’t released till well after the incident (maybe 12 hours or so?). Enough time to get the facts straight, one would think.

    And if for some strange reason, they didn’t have the basic facts straight even 12 hours after the incident, isn’t it a pretty well-established principle that you don’t make any statement about the parts that are still unclear? What they should have done is simply say they weren’t sure whether he died right away from the bombing or a little later.

    It’s just plain sloppy what they did. And when you’re fighting a war, sloppy isn’t very reassuring.

  9. sarabeth says:

    And there’s still the unexplained discrepancy between the earlier statement:

    Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armored Cavalry said his men showed up at the site about five minutes after the blast

    and what Gen. Caldwell is now saying:

    “This (his death) was approximately 24 minutes after the coalition forces arrived

    Surely we don’t have people running around in Iraq and commanding troops who don’t know the difference between 5 minutes and 24?

  10. sarabeth says:

    Sorry. According to Caldwell, the first coalition forces arrived 28 minutes after the bombing (and 24 before Zarqawi’s death).

  11. JimC says:

    Sarabeth, have you *ever* written a military after action report?

  12. sac says:

    Yeah, some definite discrepencies. I just don’t care about them. If we are there in Iraq (we are), then the goal is to stop the insurgency (impossible? maybe), and Zarqawi was a big part of that (how big is up for debate).

    Look, like it or not (and I have a hard time with it myself), the military, along with the Iraqi leadership, has accomplished almost every major goal set out by the Bush administration. They’ve toppled Saddam (everyone agreed that was a given), they’ve set up an interim government, a constitution has been written, they’ve held elections in which Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds particpated, they’ve established a government made up of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, and they’ve selected cabinet members. Whether those things have real legitimacy and the strength to stand is still to be seen. Now they have killed the “head” of the insurgency, as much as that can be defined. As I’ve stated before, I was and still am opposed to being there in the first place. But we are. And as I’ve also stated, I have every confidence that we will hit every milestone. And I feel that it is imperative to do so.

    I may have asked this question before, so forgive me, but what would be your preferred outcome of the Iraq situation? And don’t say “we can’t win” or “it will never happen.” It is happening. Things are being done. It’s a messy process. “Bring the troops home now” is a valid response. “We should have never gone in” is not.

  13. matt says:

    hahahahahahhha

  14. sac says:

    Excellent rebuttal.

  15. JimC says:

    sac said:
    June 12th, 2006 at 11:01 am

    Well played sac, well played. A true moderate voice, if may call you that….

  16. sarabeth says:

    I may have asked this question before

    I may have answered it before too.

  17. sac says:

    Well there you go. If it’s not too much trouble, could you refresh my memory? A quick cut and paste would do.

  18. sarabeth says:

    I don’t remember when it was, or what post was involved.

    If you’re interested, maybe you can search for it yourself.

  19. sac says:

    I spent a few minutes looking, couldn’t find it. Care to summarize for me?

  20. sac says:

    I should add that this question is also directed at any other contributor to this here site.

  21. sarabeth says:

    I spent a few minutes looking, couldn’t find it. Care to summarize for me?

    It’s not something I can easily reduce to a couple of sentences. Which is why I took the trouble of writing it out at such great length the first time around.

    Maybe someone with superior computer skills can dig it up?

  22. matt says:

    I should add that this question is also directed at any other contributor to this here site.

    Bring the troops home now. This isn’t rocket science.

  23. sac says:

    Maybe someone with superior computer skills can dig it up?

    Good idea, I’ll ask around. Another question. Do you think it’s time to upgrade from my Commodore 64?

    Bring the troops home now. This isn’t rocket science.

    Fair enough.

  24. JimC says:

    Bring the troops home now. This isn’t rocket science.

    And what of the future generations that will have to face a possible more costly war because we pulled out before the job was finished? Or you don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect you now, eh…

  25. matt says:

    And what of the future generations that will have to face a possible more costly war because we pulled out before the job was finished?

    what more costly war? this one will never end, it’s a war on a tactic, not an enemy, remember?

    Or you don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect you now, eh…

    how is it affecting me now?

  26. JimC says:

    what more costly war? this one will never end, it’s a war on a tactic, not an enemy, remember?

    Psychic now are we?

    how is it affecting me now?

    You’re probably scared out of your wits that they may fire up conscription once again…Pvt. Cohen, Yeah, I like the sound of that…

  27. matt says:

    You’re probably scared out of your wits that they may fire up conscription once again…Pvt. Cohen, Yeah, I like the sound of that…

    who is scared? you who is pissing his pants that bumblefuck ohio is going to be nuked, or me? you who so willingly allows the president to shit on the constitution because you think it keeps your ignorant ass safer? please.

  28. JimC says:

    who is scared? you who is pissing his pants that bumblefuck ohio is going to be nuked, or me? you who so willingly allows the president to shit on the constitution because you think it keeps your ignorant ass safer? please.

    Ahhh, lashing out now, I must hit a bit close to the mark to get you all riled up like that….