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		<title>By: JimC</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5155</link>
		<dc:creator>JimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foxnews is the only place the truth is actually debated unlike the other outlets that only give you the left side of the story...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foxnews is the only place the truth is actually debated unlike the other outlets that only give you the left side of the story&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5120</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MTV fantasyland?  As opposed to Fox News fantasyland, where as long as you have your talking points, you don&#039;t care what happens to the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MTV fantasyland?  As opposed to Fox News fantasyland, where as long as you have your talking points, you don&#8217;t care what happens to the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: The CodeMode Chronicles &#187; Eloquently Noted</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5105</link>
		<dc:creator>The CodeMode Chronicles &#187; Eloquently Noted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1115.org &#8211; West Coast Cap Peelers &#187; &#187; Marketing War [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1115.org &#8211; West Coast Cap Peelers &#187; &#187; Marketing War [...]</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5101</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;You know what, I hope you guys get your way, just so that later on down the road when we have to go back, I can tell you I told you soâ€¦

spoken like a true Republican.  party first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;You know what, I hope you guys get your way, just so that later on down the road when we have to go back, I can tell you I told you soâ€¦</p>
<p>spoken like a true Republican.  party first.</p>
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		<title>By: JimC</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5098</link>
		<dc:creator>JimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, a &quot;secret&quot; poll...yes polls are never manipulated or distorted or asked in such a way to produce a desired outcome...

You know what, I hope you guys get your way, just so that later on down the road when we have to go back, I can tell you I told you so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, a &#8220;secret&#8221; poll&#8230;yes polls are never manipulated or distorted or asked in such a way to produce a desired outcome&#8230;</p>
<p>You know what, I hope you guys get your way, just so that later on down the road when we have to go back, I can tell you I told you so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick in Beantown</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5092</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick in Beantown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are going to post statistics, Jim, please back them up with a credible source.  90%?!  According to who?  With the press largely confined to the green zone, I find it hard to believe any polling can be done.  Unless you watch Al-Jazeera...do you, Jim?

Sure, its a brutal world, buddy, but we can&#039;t single-handedly (read: unilaterally) remake a country in our image without consent of the governed and we clearly do not have that.  Frankly, with our recent behavior, very few want to be like us, anyway.  For that, there are polls:   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/political/policies.stm (for one)  Given the current violence, fueled by our continued presence, we should draw-down our forces.

To be truly wise in your decision making, here, you have to be able to consider yourself as being part of the problem and the solution. Its called a balanced approach. Foolishly thinking that your ideas are only the solution to the problem leads to the type of chaotic situation we see today.  That&#039;s reality, my friend.  Once involved, no one is blameless.  We need to give these people what we promised: freedom.  This includes the freedom to choose their government and work it out amongst themselves.  This cannot be done while we stand over their shoulder and guide their hands.  It&#039;s transparent to the people and fuels rebellion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to post statistics, Jim, please back them up with a credible source.  90%?!  According to who?  With the press largely confined to the green zone, I find it hard to believe any polling can be done.  Unless you watch Al-Jazeera&#8230;do you, Jim?</p>
<p>Sure, its a brutal world, buddy, but we can&#8217;t single-handedly (read: unilaterally) remake a country in our image without consent of the governed and we clearly do not have that.  Frankly, with our recent behavior, very few want to be like us, anyway.  For that, there are polls:   <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/political/policies.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/wtwta/poll/html/political/policies.stm</a> (for one)  Given the current violence, fueled by our continued presence, we should draw-down our forces.</p>
<p>To be truly wise in your decision making, here, you have to be able to consider yourself as being part of the problem and the solution. Its called a balanced approach. Foolishly thinking that your ideas are only the solution to the problem leads to the type of chaotic situation we see today.  That&#8217;s reality, my friend.  Once involved, no one is blameless.  We need to give these people what we promised: freedom.  This includes the freedom to choose their government and work it out amongst themselves.  This cannot be done while we stand over their shoulder and guide their hands.  It&#8217;s transparent to the people and fuels rebellion.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5091</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are ruled by thugs now, the same ones who are sponsoring torture (although just backscratching according to your buddy) and corruption up to their necks.  We aren&#039;t part of the solution, we&#039;re part of the problem.  There will be insurgents as long as we are there. Period.

I don&#039;t care about my own comforts as much as I care about those who are suffering RIGHT HERE in America.  Why do Republicans care about put-upon Iraqis but not put-upon Clevelanders?  Our first responsibility is to our people, and the war is diverting money and energy that should be addressing problems here.

&gt;Do you realize that by pulling out now, the 90% of Iraq that actually wants us to help them would be made into enemies?

obviously you pulled that 90% number directly out of thin air:

â€¢ Forty-five per cent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified - rising to 65 per cent in the British-controlled Maysan province;

â€¢ 82 per cent are &quot;strongly opposed&quot; to the presence of coalition troops;

â€¢ less than one per cent of the population believes coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security;

â€¢ 67 per cent of Iraqis feel less secure because of the occupation;

â€¢ 43 per cent of Iraqis believe conditions for peace and stability have worsened;

â€¢ 72 per cent do not have confidence in the multi-national forces.
(British Ministry of Defense poll http://tinyurl.com/a8m3m)

We have plenty of enemies right now.

No one is going to make it better through elective war, most certainly not us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are ruled by thugs now, the same ones who are sponsoring torture (although just backscratching according to your buddy) and corruption up to their necks.  We aren&#8217;t part of the solution, we&#8217;re part of the problem.  There will be insurgents as long as we are there. Period.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about my own comforts as much as I care about those who are suffering RIGHT HERE in America.  Why do Republicans care about put-upon Iraqis but not put-upon Clevelanders?  Our first responsibility is to our people, and the war is diverting money and energy that should be addressing problems here.</p>
<p>&gt;Do you realize that by pulling out now, the 90% of Iraq that actually wants us to help them would be made into enemies?</p>
<p>obviously you pulled that 90% number directly out of thin air:</p>
<p>â€¢ Forty-five per cent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified &#8211; rising to 65 per cent in the British-controlled Maysan province;</p>
<p>â€¢ 82 per cent are &#8220;strongly opposed&#8221; to the presence of coalition troops;</p>
<p>â€¢ less than one per cent of the population believes coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security;</p>
<p>â€¢ 67 per cent of Iraqis feel less secure because of the occupation;</p>
<p>â€¢ 43 per cent of Iraqis believe conditions for peace and stability have worsened;</p>
<p>â€¢ 72 per cent do not have confidence in the multi-national forces.<br />
(British Ministry of Defense poll <a href="http://tinyurl.com/a8m3m)" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/a8m3m)</a></p>
<p>We have plenty of enemies right now.</p>
<p>No one is going to make it better through elective war, most certainly not us.</p>
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		<title>By: JimC</title>
		<link>http://www.1115.org/2005/11/18/marketing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-5086</link>
		<dc:creator>JimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the solution is to pull out of Iraq immediately and abandon the millions of Iraqis to suffer the fate of being ruled over by thugs....you people lack any intelligence and understanding of the world that it is obvious that you live in an MTV fantasyland where as long as you have your comforts, you don&#039;t care what happens in the rest of the world. 

Do you realize that by pulling out now, the 90% of Iraq that actually wants us to help them would be made into enemies? So in reality you want to defer the IRaq problem until the next generation or perhaps ignore it all together and hope someone else takes care of it. Sorry to slap you with reailty, but we live in a brutal world and no one else is going to make it better. Leaving Iraq today would be the beginning of the end of childrens peaceful future...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the solution is to pull out of Iraq immediately and abandon the millions of Iraqis to suffer the fate of being ruled over by thugs&#8230;.you people lack any intelligence and understanding of the world that it is obvious that you live in an MTV fantasyland where as long as you have your comforts, you don&#8217;t care what happens in the rest of the world. </p>
<p>Do you realize that by pulling out now, the 90% of Iraq that actually wants us to help them would be made into enemies? So in reality you want to defer the IRaq problem until the next generation or perhaps ignore it all together and hope someone else takes care of it. Sorry to slap you with reailty, but we live in a brutal world and no one else is going to make it better. Leaving Iraq today would be the beginning of the end of childrens peaceful future&#8230;</p>
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