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		<title>By: retired blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>retired blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone needs to stop listening to kmfdm records, stop reading moby liner notes and get some original thought.</description>
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		<title>By: BVB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Christian Right&quot; is neither. The war is wrong, fought only for the good of the profit makers in D.C.. The Old Wise Man in Afghanistan knows the score.
OIL OIL OIL. DEATH DEATH DEATH. Stay glued to the tube - stay dumb, go to church and pray to your false Jesus; your Christian god and your petty idolotry. We are the natives of this land - the inheritors of all that was once good in this land. The government has us enslaved in this tit for tat. Pay no mind. Drive your mini-van, your gas guzzling SUV or Hummer and wait for breaking news that is not news but an isidiuos propaganda weilded by the government that OWNS YOUR SOUL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Christian Right&#8221; is neither. The war is wrong, fought only for the good of the profit makers in D.C.. The Old Wise Man in Afghanistan knows the score.<br />
OIL OIL OIL. DEATH DEATH DEATH. Stay glued to the tube &#8211; stay dumb, go to church and pray to your false Jesus; your Christian god and your petty idolotry. We are the natives of this land &#8211; the inheritors of all that was once good in this land. The government has us enslaved in this tit for tat. Pay no mind. Drive your mini-van, your gas guzzling SUV or Hummer and wait for breaking news that is not news but an isidiuos propaganda weilded by the government that OWNS YOUR SOUL.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene,

&lt;em&gt;I believe that when our government decides that we need to go to war, we should fight all out to win with no other consideration to anything else until we have won. That means we should have sent 500,000 troops to iraq, defeat saddamâ€™s army quickly and then disarmed the entire country. We should have never returned the country to the Iraqiâ€™s until it was totally secure. I believe that if we donâ€™t have the stomach to fight a war to win, we should stick to diplomacy.&lt;/em&gt;


The enemy isn&#039;t stupid, no matter what those guys in the Pentagon think.  Obviously they realized that they could not beat the Americans in a traditional nation-state war, so they chose their current guerilla style methods.  The idea that Iraq would be an easy war was pushed by those  who believe that the strength of the American army should be used to fight limited wars to achieve political aims (i.e., the neocons).  The problem with that strategy is that we are so overwhelmingly superior militarily that no enemy will stand and fight in the traditional sense, but instead will rely on stealth and guerilla tactics to neutralize our technological advantages.  From Vietnam the neocons know that Americans will not support protracted wars of ideology or choice, and therefore amassing a huge army of the type that you mention would have been much more politically difficult, perhaps impossible.  The other major problem is that we have no clear definition of what victory means.  The bar that the government set, of a democratic Iraq, is quite high indeed.

The real problem is that American polticians have come to see the American army and violence as a useful tool in acheiving political objectives.  They have forgotten the lessons of warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene,</p>
<p><em>I believe that when our government decides that we need to go to war, we should fight all out to win with no other consideration to anything else until we have won. That means we should have sent 500,000 troops to iraq, defeat saddamâ€™s army quickly and then disarmed the entire country. We should have never returned the country to the Iraqiâ€™s until it was totally secure. I believe that if we donâ€™t have the stomach to fight a war to win, we should stick to diplomacy.</em></p>
<p>The enemy isn&#8217;t stupid, no matter what those guys in the Pentagon think.  Obviously they realized that they could not beat the Americans in a traditional nation-state war, so they chose their current guerilla style methods.  The idea that Iraq would be an easy war was pushed by those  who believe that the strength of the American army should be used to fight limited wars to achieve political aims (i.e., the neocons).  The problem with that strategy is that we are so overwhelmingly superior militarily that no enemy will stand and fight in the traditional sense, but instead will rely on stealth and guerilla tactics to neutralize our technological advantages.  From Vietnam the neocons know that Americans will not support protracted wars of ideology or choice, and therefore amassing a huge army of the type that you mention would have been much more politically difficult, perhaps impossible.  The other major problem is that we have no clear definition of what victory means.  The bar that the government set, of a democratic Iraq, is quite high indeed.</p>
<p>The real problem is that American polticians have come to see the American army and violence as a useful tool in acheiving political objectives.  They have forgotten the lessons of warfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t mock anyone for their typos -- I found at least three in my comments.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t mock anyone for their typos &#8212; I found at least three in my comments.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the fantastic descussion. Frankly, I just get genuinely naseous thinking about Bush driving past Sheehan and her supporters day in and out, utterly ignoring them even while he wines and dines his big-ticket donors.

It&#039;s teh same disgust I had when, before the war, in response to the millions of protestors world-wide, he said &quot;I don&#039;t make policy in response to focus groups.&quot;

here comes the nausea again...

Anyway, unable to talk about it without difficulty, I made this cartoon:

www.clarkschpiell.com/home/gwbcartoon081605.shtml

--David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the fantastic descussion. Frankly, I just get genuinely naseous thinking about Bush driving past Sheehan and her supporters day in and out, utterly ignoring them even while he wines and dines his big-ticket donors.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s teh same disgust I had when, before the war, in response to the millions of protestors world-wide, he said &#8220;I don&#8217;t make policy in response to focus groups.&#8221;</p>
<p>here comes the nausea again&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, unable to talk about it without difficulty, I made this cartoon:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.clarkschpiell.com/home/gwbcartoon081605.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.clarkschpiell.com/home/gwbcartoon081605.shtml</a></p>
<p>&#8211;David</p>
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		<title>By: screwtape</title>
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		<dc:creator>screwtape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The critical error Jason made was to mention Clinton.  I understand the comparison and I completely agree with his point.  But whenever conservatives see that name they completely lose their marbles.  It is a Pavlovian response and I would find it amusing if it did not obfuscate matters so much.  The Clinton supporters then fall into the trap of apologizing for him.  
	
What Clinton did â€“ cheating on his wife and lying about it â€“ was wrong, morally and legally.  There is no defending it.  But letâ€™s get some perspective here.  His mistakes did not kill anyone and the only people it hurt were his immediate family.  That makes him a bad husband, not necessarily a bad president. 

But the debate here is not really about Clinton.  He is just a point of reference.  It is about Bush.  It is about the well documented accounts of how he refuses to acknowledge viewpoints other than his own.  It is about his own admission of ignoring news that he does not want to hear.  It is about his disregard for roughly 50% of Americans.  On some issues the figure is much higher.   He does not listen and he does not care.

If you can put down the party pompoms for a minute, remember that supporting a political party is not like supporting a football team.  When your â€œteamâ€ is wrong you have to be honest and call them on it.  You should be disgusted that the President thinks there are free speech â€œZonesâ€.  You should be disturbed the President only hears what he wants to hear.  You should be outraged at the grotesque waste in dollars and human life associated with the war in Iraq.

I am an American before I am anything else.  I donâ€™t care who is in the White House â€“ republican, democrat or other - as long as they are doing a good job.  The fact is Bush is doing a very bad job.    

If Bush had eradicated the Taliban, captured Bin Laden, marshaled the kind of support we had for going into Iraq the first time, turned on the water and power in Iraq and kept the economy booming, I would not have such a problem with him.  But he didnâ€™t do any of that.  He did the exact opposite.

If he showed a little flexibility or respect for Democrats or compromised once in a while, I would not have such a problem.  But he doesnâ€™t do any of that.  He does the exact opposite.

The fact that he wonâ€™t talk to the mother of a dead soldier because she disagrees with is policy underscores his contempt for his opposition.   This whole ridiculous side show could have been avoided if he had just given the woman ten minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The critical error Jason made was to mention Clinton.  I understand the comparison and I completely agree with his point.  But whenever conservatives see that name they completely lose their marbles.  It is a Pavlovian response and I would find it amusing if it did not obfuscate matters so much.  The Clinton supporters then fall into the trap of apologizing for him.  </p>
<p>What Clinton did â€“ cheating on his wife and lying about it â€“ was wrong, morally and legally.  There is no defending it.  But letâ€™s get some perspective here.  His mistakes did not kill anyone and the only people it hurt were his immediate family.  That makes him a bad husband, not necessarily a bad president. </p>
<p>But the debate here is not really about Clinton.  He is just a point of reference.  It is about Bush.  It is about the well documented accounts of how he refuses to acknowledge viewpoints other than his own.  It is about his own admission of ignoring news that he does not want to hear.  It is about his disregard for roughly 50% of Americans.  On some issues the figure is much higher.   He does not listen and he does not care.</p>
<p>If you can put down the party pompoms for a minute, remember that supporting a political party is not like supporting a football team.  When your â€œteamâ€ is wrong you have to be honest and call them on it.  You should be disgusted that the President thinks there are free speech â€œZonesâ€.  You should be disturbed the President only hears what he wants to hear.  You should be outraged at the grotesque waste in dollars and human life associated with the war in Iraq.</p>
<p>I am an American before I am anything else.  I donâ€™t care who is in the White House â€“ republican, democrat or other &#8211; as long as they are doing a good job.  The fact is Bush is doing a very bad job.    </p>
<p>If Bush had eradicated the Taliban, captured Bin Laden, marshaled the kind of support we had for going into Iraq the first time, turned on the water and power in Iraq and kept the economy booming, I would not have such a problem with him.  But he didnâ€™t do any of that.  He did the exact opposite.</p>
<p>If he showed a little flexibility or respect for Democrats or compromised once in a while, I would not have such a problem.  But he doesnâ€™t do any of that.  He does the exact opposite.</p>
<p>The fact that he wonâ€™t talk to the mother of a dead soldier because she disagrees with is policy underscores his contempt for his opposition.   This whole ridiculous side show could have been avoided if he had just given the woman ten minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: BushLuver#666</title>
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		<dc:creator>BushLuver#666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOO STOOPID LIBRUL GUY. YOO SUCK. CINDY SHEEHAN IS A LIER. SHE MADE UP THE ENTIRE STORY. HER SON DIDN&#039;T DIE HE IS STILL ALIVE! SHE LIED. YOU ARE A STOOPID LIER!

BUSH IS LORD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOO STOOPID LIBRUL GUY. YOO SUCK. CINDY SHEEHAN IS A LIER. SHE MADE UP THE ENTIRE STORY. HER SON DIDN&#8217;T DIE HE IS STILL ALIVE! SHE LIED. YOU ARE A STOOPID LIER!</p>
<p>BUSH IS LORD!</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think george bush should take 5 weeks vacation fighting in iraq instead of pulling his cock down in texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think george bush should take 5 weeks vacation fighting in iraq instead of pulling his cock down in texas.</p>
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		<title>By: RON THOMPSON FROM NEBRASKA, USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RON THOMPSON FROM NEBRASKA, USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AM GOING TO TYPE VERY LOUDLY TO FURTHER EMPHASIZE HOW OBNOXIOUS I AM. I AM GOING TO REINFORCE THE FACT THAT I AM TALKING LOUD, YET SAYING NOTHING BY PRESSING DOWN THE &#039;CAPS LOCK&#039; BUTTON. FOR ADDED MEAISURE I WILL MISPELT THINGS, REINFORCING THE NOTIUN THAT TEH EDUCKATION SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY IS WERLD CLASS. I AM GOING TO RANT ON ABOUT A SEXUAL AFFAIR THAT HAPPENED NEARLY A DECADE AGO IN WHICH NO ONE GOT HURT, NO ONE DIED AND NO BLOOD WAS SHED, AND THEN I&#039;M GOING TO COMPARE IT TO A WAR IN WHICH LIVES WERE TAKEN FOR A CAUSE THAT IS AT BEST CLEARLY UNDEFINED AND AT WORST AN OUT AND OUT LIE DESTINED TO BECOME THE LARGEST BLOOPER IN AMERICAN HISTORY, SHORT OF THE 2000 ELECTION. 

I WILL SPIN QUOTES AND CHALK UP JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY AS &#039;LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS&#039; THOUGH TWO MAJOR NEWS OUTLETS ARE OWNED BY COMPANIES UNDER THE THUMB OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. 

I WILL IGNORE THE FOLLOWING QUOTES, WHICH WILL BE PLACED IN LOWER CAPS BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS IMPORTANT THAN MINE:


&quot;You can support the troops but not the president.&quot; 
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) 

&quot;Well, I just think it&#039;s a bad idea. What&#039;s going to happen is they&#039;re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.&quot; 
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL) 

&quot;Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?&quot; 
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99 

&quot;[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation&#039;s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.&quot; 
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) 

&quot;American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.&quot; 
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) 

&quot;If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.&quot; 
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush 

&quot;I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn&#039;t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.&quot; 
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) 

&quot;I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today&quot; 
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) 

&quot;Victory means exit strategy, and it&#039;s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.&quot; 
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

(TAKEN FROM A LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS BLOG THAT DON&#039;T KNOW NUTHIN)

AND LASTLY I WILL IGNORE YOUR BLOG FROM NOW ON BECAUSE Y&#039;ALL ARE FROM SAN FRANCISCO, AND WE ALL KNOW NOTHING BUT QUEERS AND RICE A RONI COME FROM SAN FRANSISCO.

MAY GOD BLESS &#039;MERICA. FUCK YEAH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AM GOING TO TYPE VERY LOUDLY TO FURTHER EMPHASIZE HOW OBNOXIOUS I AM. I AM GOING TO REINFORCE THE FACT THAT I AM TALKING LOUD, YET SAYING NOTHING BY PRESSING DOWN THE &#8216;CAPS LOCK&#8217; BUTTON. FOR ADDED MEAISURE I WILL MISPELT THINGS, REINFORCING THE NOTIUN THAT TEH EDUCKATION SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY IS WERLD CLASS. I AM GOING TO RANT ON ABOUT A SEXUAL AFFAIR THAT HAPPENED NEARLY A DECADE AGO IN WHICH NO ONE GOT HURT, NO ONE DIED AND NO BLOOD WAS SHED, AND THEN I&#8217;M GOING TO COMPARE IT TO A WAR IN WHICH LIVES WERE TAKEN FOR A CAUSE THAT IS AT BEST CLEARLY UNDEFINED AND AT WORST AN OUT AND OUT LIE DESTINED TO BECOME THE LARGEST BLOOPER IN AMERICAN HISTORY, SHORT OF THE 2000 ELECTION. </p>
<p>I WILL SPIN QUOTES AND CHALK UP JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY AS &#8216;LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS&#8217; THOUGH TWO MAJOR NEWS OUTLETS ARE OWNED BY COMPANIES UNDER THE THUMB OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. </p>
<p>I WILL IGNORE THE FOLLOWING QUOTES, WHICH WILL BE PLACED IN LOWER CAPS BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS IMPORTANT THAN MINE:</p>
<p>&#8220;You can support the troops but not the president.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) </p>
<p>&#8220;Well, I just think it&#8217;s a bad idea. What&#8217;s going to happen is they&#8217;re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Joe Scarborough (R-FL) </p>
<p>&#8220;Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99 </p>
<p>&#8220;[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation&#8217;s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) </p>
<p>&#8220;American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) </p>
<p>&#8220;If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush </p>
<p>&#8220;I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn&#8217;t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) </p>
<p>&#8220;I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) </p>
<p>&#8220;Victory means exit strategy, and it&#8217;s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)</p>
<p>(TAKEN FROM A LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS BLOG THAT DON&#8217;T KNOW NUTHIN)</p>
<p>AND LASTLY I WILL IGNORE YOUR BLOG FROM NOW ON BECAUSE Y&#8217;ALL ARE FROM SAN FRANCISCO, AND WE ALL KNOW NOTHING BUT QUEERS AND RICE A RONI COME FROM SAN FRANSISCO.</p>
<p>MAY GOD BLESS &#8216;MERICA. FUCK YEAH.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry--
I think you nailed it, and explained exquisitely what many liberal believe -- we suppor the troops who are just doing their jobs, but are against the war and those who started it.

Outstanding job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry&#8211;<br />
I think you nailed it, and explained exquisitely what many liberal believe &#8212; we suppor the troops who are just doing their jobs, but are against the war and those who started it.</p>
<p>Outstanding job!</p>
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